Sending good vibes to the engineers who will have to add Moon time support to the Java DateTime class.
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Europe pushing for lunar time zone
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Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
#232I am a proponent of a Martian timekeeping system where each day has 24 hours 39 minutes and 35.244 seconds and all the rest of time units have standard lengths. For example, at midnight your martian clock would show the time as 24:39:35 for a fraction of a second, then wound back to 00:00:00. The calendar then would track the Earth calendar as close as possible, with shortened months to accommodate for the longer day…
I would support the use of this on Earth as well.
I love that feeling when the clocks go back in Autumn. This would give you that every day. My natural circadian rhythm is about 24.5 hours. I enjoy the dark, and this schedule would provide variety as our waking hours cycled in and out of phase with the sun.
And it would make scheduling regular Earth-Mars communications much simpler.
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UTC is nice not because it is euro centric, but because there is a lot of sea on the opposite side of GMT and therefore it is pretty easy to place the date change line. There are multi-timezone countries on both sides of the oceans (USA, Russia, and the European Union basically counts as a third) so the date change line has to stay on the sea. There is only one good alternative, which would be to place the date chang…
I wonder which side Greenland, Iceland and the Falkland Islands would pick.
Iceland and the Falklands would likely be respectively -9 and +12 from Japan.
Greenland is probably the best reason to keep Greenwich as the reference time zone. :) Most of the population (so to speak) is on -13 to -12. I have no idea if the people there have more ties to continental Europe and Iceland, or to Labrador.
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People under 30 don't use the "circular clock" anyway. Mars will do fine without it.
That is definitely not true - I have an analog wrist watch (and am under 30). Also, there can be benefits to the use of analog clocks: in some circumstances they're quicker to read the time off of. http://www.mcld.co.uk/blog/2006/digital-vs-analogue-clocks.h...
Have your circular dial divided in 24.658 sections then.
Nothing good can come from using a slightly longer second then what absolutely every piece of Earth hardware expects. Unless you are billion dollar rover mission where every bit or hardware is a custom design, it's imperative to use Earth seconds.
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I prefer KSR's "time gap". At midnight on mars, everyone just gets a 40 minute period where the clocks don't move.
This breaks all computer games and also internet (I think?).
I have had to make my computer believe that I was in Japan to play certain videogames.
There was also that fascinating time I had to roll back the calendar to use a crack for a Denuvo protected game.
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This is obviously a software problem that could be solved universally at the OS level. We have all kinds of low-level protocols for coordinating all manner of things. Distilling a coherent system of agreeing on a timezone difference, between two communicating entities and presenting that to the user at any time would be quite basic. We have location data for all, at all times. We have a local, accurate clock. There's…
Apple already do have support for specifying the time zone in appointment times, and the Clock application can show the current time in different places. What woudl you want to add to this?
Attach the current, local time to all contacts, at the basic, fundamental level. If contacts are in a different zone, every app accesses an OS-defined UX, that displays a contacts local time in a ubiquitous, familiar fashion all users get used to.
Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
#237Sending good vibes to the engineers who will have to add Moon time support to the Java DateTime class.
I'll send good vibes to that one guy from tzdata who'll for sure maintain a Lunar Time Zone database and literally everyone in the globe will rely upon it.
edit: Arthur David Olson and Paul Eggert, you're The Dudes, dudes.
Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
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'I'll call you tomorrow.' 'Tomorrow clock time or tomorrow after the Sun rises?'
I usually say "tomorrow your time or my time" :)
usually (outside of global business meetings) when you are talking to a person about making plans you are both in the same time zone. So asking ‘your time or my time’ is unnecessary.
But if we got rid of time zones, you’d need new ways to distinguish between tomorrow meaning ‘after the clock ticks over 24:00’ bs ‘after the next night cycle’ because they would not be the same thing.
To be fair the same ambiguity occurs now if you are, say, parting ways with someone after midnight and you say ‘see you tomorrow’, but you actually mean later that same calendar day.
But I think losing the ability to make use, in everyday local conversations with people in the same place as you, of concepts like ‘tomorrow afternoon’, would be kind of a dealbreaker for time zone abolition.
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The very first entry on the list of falsehoods programmers believe about time[0] is that there are always 24 hours in a day. [0] https://gist.github.com/timvisee/fcda9bbdff88d45cc9061606b4b... 23:59:60 happens when we add leap seconds to the clock, for instance...
I wasn't talking about software development by itself, but human behaviour.
Human behavior will largely just appreciate the extra half hour of sleep each day.
Round-the-clock shiftwork (hospitals, power plants, etc.) will require minor tweaking; your eight hour shift probably just becomes 8:10 or so.
(It's worse for humans on Earth working Mars time, which is a thing that already happens. They come in 40 mins later every day. https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/20090/living-on-mars-time/)
Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
#240I am a proponent of a Martian timekeeping system where each day has 24 hours 39 minutes and 35.244 seconds and all the rest of time units have standard lengths. For example, at midnight your martian clock would show the time as 24:39:35 for a fraction of a second, then wound back to 00:00:00. The calendar then would track the Earth calendar as close as possible, with shortened months to accommodate for the longer day…
> The calendar then would track the Earth calendar as close as possible, with shortened months to accommodate for the longer days. Why bother with months? Why not just count weeks? You could use something like the ISO 8601 week calendar – the year is divided into weeks. Weeks run Monday (1) to Sunday (7). Every year beings on a Monday – ISO 8601 has two years, the Gregorian year (starts on 1 January) and the ISO week…
Sensorwatch has a watch face with iso8601 weeknumber (which I did)
https://github.com/joeycastillo/Sensor-Watch/blob/main/movem...