The main benefit of iMessage over all the other messaging platforms is there's a lot less spam. I hope this decision doesn't threaten that.
Anecdotally I never received any spam on the other proprietary messaging platforms, except SMS.
EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
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Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switch to iphone to enjoy the 'privilege'
I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.
Being locked into Facebooks app vs. Apple's app isn't such a great positive now, is it?
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lmao. How? This just means that msging apps on Android will finally be able to break the blue bubble problem. There will be even less incentive for ppl to switch to iphone to enjoy the 'privilege'
I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.
And I bet in classical Apple style, they would definitely gimp the Android iMessage app restricting some features, just to spite Android users and try to force them to buy iPhones.
Android users will still be second class citizens so the transition off Whatsapp or Signal will not happen.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I only recently heard of the "green bubble stigma", it's not a thing here in the Netherlands at least. People use Whatsapp.
Being locked into Facebooks app vs. Apple's app isn't such a great positive now, is it?
Definitely not, we got lured into it by the original WA owners under (later) false pretenses. Back when we would just pay a euro one time, or every year with a big focus on privacy.
Now it's just everywhere, helpdesks, schools, classes, parents, sportsclubs. All WA groups sadly. We even have this: [0], like it's some government sanctioned platform. Disgusting.
I am getting more and more people into Signal though. Some geeks on Element.io.
[0]: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=attentie+buurtpreventie+wha...
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#25The source article [1] claims that " the largest messaging services (such as Whatsapp, Facebook Messenger or iMessage) will have to open up and interoperate with smaller messaging platforms"
I am very intrigued to see how the various platforms will enable such features in software terms - WhatsApp recently allowed the usage of proxies via their platform, and there is talk of Apple maintaining the Made for iPhone program when they roll over to USB-C which is allowed under the "USB-C for phones" law they passed recently. So expect some creative applications/interpretations of the DMA.
I think it'll work similar to telegram, they'll "open up" without the E2EE aspect and basically enable a "compatibility" mode. Otherwise, and being more cynical, this does feel like a 'ploy' to get around E2EE by making large, privacy-focused platforms such as Signal 'open up' (I do wonder if Signal would be classified under the rules for turnover etc). Suppose it depends on the final text of the law and how lawyers interpret what "opening up" means. Haven't really seen much about what the EU is going to expect there.
But if we are cynical, expect the end of E2EE messaging apps entirely.
[1]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/fr/press-room/20220315IP...
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#26I'm very excited about the Digital Markets Act. Some things that excite me which are definitely in scope:
- Interopability between walled gardens like messenger apps
- Side-loading software on your devices
I'm also hoping that we see this specifically lead to the following:
- Installing your own operating system on any electronic device
- Third-party video games running on proprietary consoles without the vendor's approval
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#27A 40 billion dollar fine if you don’t do as the EU says… at some point tech companies are just going to pull out of the EU, right? For most (but not all!), GDPR was worth complying with (and had benefits for citizens). This is likely to also be worth complying with (and also has benefits for citizens), but I imagine the EU is going to run out of ideas that legitimately benefit users long before it runs out of desire…
Strange how you don't seem to realize that all these "ideas for fines" come years or decades after the "efficient and self-regulating free market" ends up what it will always end up: entrenched monopolies, moats, little competition and high barriers of entry.
What do you expect? The legislature to guess what will become the popular, largest and essential years before and regulate it beforehand?
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#28If stars align right for Apple, this can at least with some probability that they can kill WhatsApp in a few countries. If they implement a few features.
They probably won't, and even if they did, I won't hold my breath.
As it is the difference between sending photos via iMessage vs sending photos via WhatsApp is like night and day. I don't know how Apple managed to f. that up but if I have to send more than 2-3 photos the app asks me to do horizontal scrolling, which is not optimal, to say the least.
Plus the very process of sending and receiving the photos themselves seems very clunky in comparison.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Strange how you don't seem to realize that all these "ideas for fines" come years or decades after the "efficient and self-regulating free market" ends up what it will always end up: entrenched monopolies, moats, little competition and high barriers of entry.
What do you expect? The legislature to guess what will become the popular, largest and essential years before and regulate it beforehand?
No. It was just a reflection if what these fines are, and why they come about.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#30The main benefit of iMessage over all the other messaging platforms is there's a lot less spam. I hope this decision doesn't threaten that.
The actual Digital Markets Act text does say the end user should have the choice to enable/disable the interoperability.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...