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Ireland and Malta are two EU members where English is one of the official languages.
But they picked Irish and Maltese ad their "EU must support it" language, since English was already there. When Brexit was looming there was a bit of a scare that when the UK was gone English would no longer be supported. But luckily the EU institutions were not insane.
Europe pushing for lunar time zone
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> Are relativity effects significant on the moon? Yes, as the article states, clocks run faster on the Moon. About 56 microseconds per day. Be that as it may, as far as I know, Newtonian gravity was sufficient for the moon landings. So I'm guessing this is more of a coordination issue between countries than a necessity for trajectories or such.
Forgive me my ignorance but does that mean that you age at a different speed at the moon compared to earth ?
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I’m with you on the last two but a life without timezones sounds horrible. So many issues, like having to relearn the clock when you are in another timezone. I’ll meet you for lunch at 06.00! Life is based around the sun. Having some sort of agreed upon world timezone would be neat though, whether that was GMT or something less euro centric. So everyone would understand “we have a zoom meeting at 11.00 WT” instead of…
> "Having some sort of agreed upon world timezone would be neat though ..." Don't we already have that with UTC / Zulu time?
I usually see Americans treat Eastern Time as a standard, with references to Pacific sometimes. In the EU, where I am, CET is the usual timezone used for specifying a time internationally. And regardless of the location, it's very common for people to specify a time in their local timezone first and leave it to the other party to figure out what the difference is.
I haven't encountered situations like someone saying "let's have a discussion at 16:00 UTC" to set up an EU-US meeting.
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#125Basically, everything is roughly in sync with Earth and uses similar or identical units, except the time of day which is synced to the martian solar day, the only local time of relevance to the martians, for things like working light and circadian rhythm, solar panel irradiation etc. The "seasons" of Mars are of little relevance due to the very artificial conditions in which the martians will live, the weather outside is deadly all year long with slight variations in deadliness.
So the entire idea of keeping a martian calendar with funny month names doesn't really make sense, the only thing martians will care is the time of the next Earth transport and the dates on Earth so they can relate with their loved ones. As is the idea of having different lengths of seconds and hours, which will render almost all Earth equipment and measurements unusable, as opposed to a slight tweak in the software of their clocks to enable times past 23:59:59.
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#126Still think life would be simpler if we all just adopted .beats (Swatch Internet Time): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
I was so convinced .beats would take over the world (or solar system in this case). I had their watch, I installed their task-bar clock plugin for Windows 98, I harped on about it to my friends... a surprising number of which actually agreed it was a good idea. Then it just kinda fizzled out. I'm still upset it didn't take off.
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That's a pro for having UTC, not a pro for having no time zones. I believe this is the main reason that going against time zones is flawed---people don't exactly know what they are claiming!
When everyone works on the same timezone it's the same as not having timezones.
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> * If I live too far from the UTC, the day will change in the middle of my working day. My friend said they'd see me on Tuesday. Do they mean the day that had Tuesday at the beginning of it, or the end? What does "Tuesday morning" mean when morning is at the end of the Tuesday? Is "morning" the beginning of the solar day or the beginning of the clock day? The problem there is the lack of specificity, and timezones d…
In the military, there is Zulu (+0 UTC/GMT) and Juliet time ("my" time). Every report with times should always indicate the timezone (whether Z or J or otherwise), e.g. in NYC 2pm would be 1400Y. Any recent/current military folks want to comment?
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With timezones: * I want to call my friend in Germany. What time is it for her? I guess I'm UTC-7 and she's UTC+1, so she's 8 hours ahead of me. I know that everybody around the world typically wakes up between 6 and 9 AM and goes to sleep between 8 PM and midnight, and she's an early bird, so she should be awake. * They said the meeting was going to be at 8 o'clock, but they are in a different time zone, did they me…
> With timezones: > * I want to call my friend in Germany. What time is it for her? I guess I'm UTC-7 and she's UTC+1, so she's 8 hours ahead of me. I know that everybody around the world typically wakes up between 6 and 9 AM and goes to sleep between 8 PM and midnight, and she's an early bird, so she should be awake. > Without timezones: > * I want to call my friend in Germany. It's the same time here as there. It r…
In the latter case, you do need to do math, because what you are getting is meaningless number and then you need to convert it to some kind of "how long after typical start of day" format to get information you actually want.