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Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry (2013)

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Your point was hardly "real" either bucko, you ascribe a large group of people with a specific belief (without any citations) and then try to skip out of any culpability by saying its a generalisation.

lol, ok champ.

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Your point was hardly "real" either bucko, you ascribe a large group of people with a specific belief (without any citations) and then try to skip out of any culpability by saying its a generalisation.

lol, ok champ.

Another informative and education comment. Clever as roo shit you are.

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I don't see where that person specified which claim they wanted a source for, but I'll ask for a source for both claims. I still have no idea if you grew up among Aboriginals or Native Americans, or what makes you so confident about the other race/culture's beliefs.

Just curious, but are you on the spectrum? Or an ESL speaker? Context makes it clear which claim they were asking for. In any case, I'm not providing a source. This is a somewhat commonly known thing, and I was speaking from personal experience. If you're still really unsure where I grew up, you can probably figure it out from my other comments. Feel free to search for whatever you find sufficient to corroborate my c…

Really? Replying to a request for sources with personal attacks?

Re: Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry (2013)

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lol, ok champ.

Another informative and education comment. Clever as roo shit you are.

You seem like one of those insecure types who need to have the last word, so it's all yours buddy. Enjoy, and I hope you get whatever feeling it is you're seeking by doing so.

Best of luck to you in life kiddo. Cheers.

Re: Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry (2013)

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both dingo and the spread of this family are around 5000 years give or take and roughly contemporaneous with this introgression in OP. None of the dates are known with that much precision afaik. It seems the theory that the languages are indian is disputed, so lets just say a lot of new stuff was happening around that time. There is disputed circumstantial evidence for other waves of migration. For example the Bradsh…

you really need to cite some sources for all these claims you're making spread over many different comments

Most of the claims Im making come straight from the nature article at the top. First paragraph:

"Northern Aboriginal Australians can trace as much as 11% of their genomes to migrants who reached the island around 4,000 years ago from India, a new study suggests. Along with their genes, the migrants also have brought more advanced tool-making techniques and the ancestors of the dingo."

The pama-nyungan proto-language has been estimated to be around 5,000 years old, roughly. There are sources for this claim in the wikipedia article, and also for the claim that 306/~400 aborginal languages are in this family. The "out of india" theory is more disputed than I thought (corrected this elsewhere), but is a proposed theory. There are several theories here, but the paper argues for basically what Ive said elsewhere: https://langev.com/pdf/442ac40068c1d8a67a561d0d7f0fcd95c429c...

I talked about the bradshaw paintings somewhere else, the wikipedia article on these has good sources i also have some papers somewhere. Notnsure what else you want to get started.

Re: Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry (2013)

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Just curious, but are you on the spectrum? Or an ESL speaker? Context makes it clear which claim they were asking for. In any case, I'm not providing a source. This is a somewhat commonly known thing, and I was speaking from personal experience. If you're still really unsure where I grew up, you can probably figure it out from my other comments. Feel free to search for whatever you find sufficient to corroborate my c…

Really? Replying to a request for sources with personal attacks?

No.

Re: Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry (2013)

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it seems the theory is more disputed than i remember, so lets say around 5000 years ago there was perhaps significant indian introgression into aborginal genetics (as per article above), the introduction of new tools, the arrival of the dingo (speculated by some to be introduced by these indian peoples) and the spread of this language family from a small progenitor language to the dominant language on the continent.…

> and the spread of this language family from a small progenitor language to the dominant language on the continent I was with you up until this point. Do you have a source for this?

Well it is dominant in that >300/~400 languages are bow in this family. This paper argues for a mid-holocene origin from a proto language around the time we are discussing, and also mentions some other theories w sources (https://langev.com/pdf/442ac40068c1d8a67a561d0d7f0fcd95c429c...)

Re: Aboriginal Australian genomes reveal Indian ancestry (2013)

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you really need to cite some sources for all these claims you're making spread over many different comments

Most of the claims Im making come straight from the nature article at the top. First paragraph: "Northern Aboriginal Australians can trace as much as 11% of their genomes to migrants who reached the island around 4,000 years ago from India, a new study suggests. Along with their genes, the migrants also have brought more advanced tool-making techniques and the ancestors of the dingo." The pama-nyungan proto-language…

There's a _lot_ of speculation in there

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There is compelling but rare evidence of habitation back as far at 60,000 years. But there is zero reason to assume the continent was sealed to migration at any point. In fact it was disconnected and reconnected by land bridges more than once over that period. Culture is a process not an artifact. Regarding the speed of change, tally the vocab contribution of Norman French, Anglo Saxon, Roman and Brittonic languages…

Australasia has not been joined to the rest of the world by land bridges for tens of millions of years. That's why so much of the fauna is strange and unusual. Humans are one of the few mammalian species that have managed to cross the deep water barriers on our own.

True, you've never been able to just walk it like you could to Tasmania. I mean millions of years ago, Australia was further south -- it's been inching north[1]. Sea levels around the last glacial maximum[2] made the distances much more 'canue-able'. I would consider that at least 'more connected', but you are correct.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/03/mind-the-gap... [2] https://phys.org/news/2018-04-island-hopping-route-people-au...

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Most of the claims Im making come straight from the nature article at the top. First paragraph: "Northern Aboriginal Australians can trace as much as 11% of their genomes to migrants who reached the island around 4,000 years ago from India, a new study suggests. Along with their genes, the migrants also have brought more advanced tool-making techniques and the ancestors of the dingo." The pama-nyungan proto-language…

There's a _lot_ of speculation in there

Theres a lot of speculation around all of this. It is still a source to back up this theory and leads you to others about the archeology. Here is a genetic study from 2016 that disputes the one in this article: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(16)....

No one really knows until we sequence way more people and more bones.

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