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Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Post by lifthrasiir »

rascul wrote: post #48
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you wouldn't: https://qntm.org/abolish

Yes, I would. If I need to call someone in their morning, I need to determine the same offset. I have plenty experience with both ends using UTC regardless of where in the world they are. It's much easier. Either 0425 works for both or we need to adjust one way or the other. I still need to know that your schedule is four hours ahead of mine, but we don't need to do math to figure out what time 0425 is. The cognitive…

That's a pro for having UTC, not a pro for having no time zones. I believe this is the main reason that going against time zones is flawed---people don't exactly know what they are claiming!

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Post by Stratoscope »

ragebol wrote: post #45
Stratoscope wrote: post #23

Would a small unit of lunar time be a Luna Tick?

If there's ticks on the moon, we have bigger issues I suppose.

"Ticks...why'd it have to be ticks?"

I was hiking in Edgewood Park on the SF Peninsula, and when I got to my car and took off my hat, this big fat tick came running out. He must have been the size of a coffee bean, or it sure looked that way in my moment of fear.

Is it true that they grow six times larger on the Moon?

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Post by wyldfire »

Daz1 wrote: post #60
doctor_eval wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not about creating an earth based zone for the moon. It’s about creating a system of recording time that works on the moon. Time doesn’t work the same on the moon as on earth, so why should they be linked? Earth clocks are basically about the position of a point on earth, relative to the sun. The moon’s relationship with the sun is quite entirely different. So where is the equivalent of Greenwich on the moon? Do…

Why needlessly complicate things? Use GMT + 0, earth days, and earth weeks. Why introduce all this unnecessary confusion? There is no practical need to measure local time on the moon. >Earth clocks and moon clocks don’t run at the same time, due to relativity. I'm sure the 1/3000th of a millisecond per year won't be a problem

> There is no practical need to measure local time on the moon

Could it be useful to know when the sun would rise and set, or when Earth rises and sets, for the sake of having routines related to solar power or LOS communications? Having a Luna-native time-of-day might be handy for some things.

I think it makes some sense to come to an agreement, even if that agreement was to use UTC (TFA does mention that it's used for ISS).

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Post by lostlogin »

spleen wrote: post #21
lostlogin wrote: post #12

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Having English as the official language of the EU when England isn’t in the EU would be quite funny.

Ireland and Malta are in the EU, both with English as the official language. This is along with the fact that English is lingua franca in EU and wider.

> Ireland and Malta are in the EU, both with English as the official language

It’s a nitpick to be sure, but shouldn’t it be “ Ireland and Malta are in the EU, both with English as AN official language”

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Post by lostlogin »

petesergeant wrote: post #20
lostlogin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having English as the official language of the EU when England isn’t in the EU would be quite funny.

According to Wikipedia, 93% of students in the EU currently learn it at school…

It’s rather humbling how many languages are spoken by individuals there - and my experience is that people there often have other languages in common too.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Post by barbazoo »

Taywee wrote: post #39
rascul wrote: post #8

I would be happy if we got rid of timezones, got rid of daylight savings time, and got rid of 12 hour clocks.

With timezones: * I want to call my friend in Germany. What time is it for her? I guess I'm UTC-7 and she's UTC+1, so she's 8 hours ahead of me. I know that everybody around the world typically wakes up between 6 and 9 AM and goes to sleep between 8 PM and midnight, and she's an early bird, so she should be awake. * They said the meeting was going to be at 8 o'clock, but they are in a different time zone, did they me…

Wow, there's clearly pros and cons for both! It's all about compromise and the way it currently works, works for the majority of people that don't even experience the downsides in their day to day life.

Like having to coordinate meetings around the world or figuring out what time it is for their friend on the other side of the world. Most people never deal with any of that. They just want it to be 12:00 and bright out when they eat lunch (or whenever they eat lunch).

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Post by raydiatian »

If you’re on the same planet and or moon thereof, it should “be” the same time wherever you go. Everybody should use UTC always. No more scheduling “wait did you mean EST or CT” bs, no more timestamp BS, no more BIOS —sysclocktohw. We’re evolved apes, we should use UTC.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Post by rascul »

Taywee wrote: post #39
rascul wrote: post #8

I would be happy if we got rid of timezones, got rid of daylight savings time, and got rid of 12 hour clocks.

With timezones: * I want to call my friend in Germany. What time is it for her? I guess I'm UTC-7 and she's UTC+1, so she's 8 hours ahead of me. I know that everybody around the world typically wakes up between 6 and 9 AM and goes to sleep between 8 PM and midnight, and she's an early bird, so she should be awake. * They said the meeting was going to be at 8 o'clock, but they are in a different time zone, did they me…

> * If I live too far from the UTC, the day will change in the middle of my working day. My friend said they'd see me on Tuesday. Do they mean the day that had Tuesday at the beginning of it, or the end? What does "Tuesday morning" mean when morning is at the end of the Tuesday? Is "morning" the beginning of the solar day or the beginning of the clock day?

The problem there is the lack of specificity, and timezones don't help or hurt that. It's already not clear if "Tuesday morning" means my Tuesday morning or yours. Maybe they could say "Tuesday around 1400" and we would both know when that was without considering the offset.

> If you get rid of time zones, you don't simplify anything. You trade one set of complications for another.

You do make a lot of things simpler by not having to figure out offsets. Sometimes you still will, but it will be less often.

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