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U.S. Postal Service starts nationwide electric vehicle fleet, buying 9,250 EVs

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#191
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There is so little need for a post office any more except as a junk mail delivery system. I'd rather see phase out plans.

There are a lot of remote areas that only the USPS will deliver to because they aren't profit motivated.

The Post Office is a constitutional responsibility of Congress (Article 1, Section 8). There is no mention that it has to be profitable

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#192

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No one is claiming electrification isn't practical for mail delivery vans. The grandparent comments are discussing long-haul trucking.

This a post about USPS delivering? Grandparent comments are off topic

USPS also does long haul.

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#194
post #65

My neighborhood delivers the mail on foot, while the truck is parked most of the day. The delivery man walks more than a Pacific Crest Trail thru-hiker.

Seems to be at the discretion of the delivery person. Our usual one walks a lot, but there's one sub that literally drives to every house, hops out, delivers.

There's a glimpse of the Amazon delivery dystopia on tiktok where the driver shows the monitoring camera and goes through the rules the system enforces. (Favourite ones: can't drink water while driving (even if stopped), can't touch centre console (e.g. for airconditioning, radio).)

Because of the delays due to rules (vehicle in park before unbuckle, seat belt buckled before moving, door shut), and the huge penalties for forgetting a rule even once, it is common for drivers to park and then run back and forth to the truck.

https://jalopnik.com/watch-an-amazon-driver-explain-the-comp...

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#195
post #145

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I think what parent is saying is that in the US a disproportionate percentage of USPS budget is spent delivering mail to extremely rural areas (far from both cities and small towns).

I remember being at the post office and thinking it was dumb that the clerk thought Micronesia was part of the US and they could charge domestic rates. Only later that I discovered I was the dumb one. IDK how you can possibly economically send mail to places like foreign barely habited deep pacific islands for the same price as mailing to your neighbor.

You can't, but the USPS is legally obligated to have a single flat rate for domestic deliveries, which is extended to certain former territories as a goodwill measure. They attempted to charge international rates many years back, but the effect it had on the affected countries' economies was so significant that the change was immediately rolled back until they had a viable alternative, which hasn't emerged.

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#196

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Because there are people doing things out there that are valuable to us, but we don't pay them enough to do those things that they could dream of paying the full cost of mail delivery.

Shouldn’t we be instead paying them the fair value of their labor rather than this and let them choose how to spend that money ? We tried subsidizing rural broadband for last 3 decades with 100s of billions of dollars with little to show for it , Starlink on the other hand is able to solve it with purely commercial enterprise not withstanding the small rural subsidy they got. Maybe it is better for the market to deci…

> Shouldn’t we be instead paying them the fair value of their labor rather than this and let them choose how to spend that money ?

What is the fair value? We want them doing whatever they're doing, but we don't want to face the actual cost. So we subsidize the services they need/want, so that they will be willing/able to live there and do those things.

> We tried subsidizing rural broadband for last 3 decades with 100s of billions of dollars with little to show for it

It connected my village and the rural corridors on either side of Santa Fe.

> Starlink on the other hand is able to solve it with purely commercial enterprise not withstanding the small rural subsidy they got.

Everyone I know out here who uses Starlink says it is getting visibly worse as more people use it.

> If the market does not value the important things rural economy produces and is absolutely important then they either start valuing them correctly and pay for it or we can stop producing them

I thought COVID made it very clear that the market doesn't price based on the level of actual need, but rather on the desires of those with the most control over resources.

> It is acceptable trade off in some areas like defense, police, healthcare, insurance, or foundational research where for profit enterprise is not viable but package delivery is hardly one of them.

Clearly, you don't live in a rural area with a substantial drive to local retail. Living without any effective policing is a tradeoff many of us are willing to make, but a return to the pre-Sears days for shopping will empty the hinterlands out in an instant.

There are arguments you could make in favor of this outcome, but then be honest and say that's the outcome you're aiming for.

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#197

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> electricity prices per mile of transport per ton were about 25% that of fossil fuel prices per mile of transport per ton In shipping and logistics, time is money. Fuel can be dispensed in the US at a maximum of 10 gal/minute. Factor that against the largest charger you can find and see why the single cost difference doesn't matter yet. > They should really move all long-haul trucking to electric as well Reduced cap…

Sure, a long haul semi with multiple drivers is a use case that won't be filled by electric trucks anytime soon. But that's a fairly narrow niche. Even on long haul routes it's pretty normal for trucks to have only one driver and stop for several hours for a rest. With a megawatt charger and 500 miles of range on a charge, even long haul trucking is just a mild engineering problem. For in town trucks the math works o…

A megawatt charger might not be cheaper than fuel. It's a lot of power to dispatch. It'll also still take longer to recharge at that rate than it does to refuel.

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#198
Makes sense for USPS for urban and suburban environments - relatively small distances, predictable routes, predictable timing (so you don't need fast charging even - nobody suddenly urgently needs their mail delivered in the middle of the night, at least not from USPS).

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#199

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> Reliable deliveries with all-weather protection. The roof over the DXP AU provides great visibility and protection against the wind and rain. Calling BS on this. Anything more than a light drizzle (or any kind of wind + rain combo) and that driver is getting wet.

You know they have to get out to deliver letters and parcels? They have a solution and it's called a rain coat.

True, but full cover would probably reduce the amount of exposure from, say, 80% to 10%, during a bad day.

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#200
post #101

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Hard to fit Amazon packages on a tricycle, Mate.

Yeah, I don't know what it's like for your postfellows but that the back of that truck is full up every day.

They could get vans and trikes at the same time.
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