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OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by ben_w »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #91
asah wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yay for competition.

Stability straight up proved that OpenAIs ideas around the importance of locking the tech up and guard railing it is all a big waste of time. The world didn’t end when anyone could run Dall-E 2 level image gen on gamer hardware and without guardrails. Instead we got to integrate that power into tools like Blender, Photoshop, Krita etc for free. First company to democratize ChatGPT tech in the same way will own this s…

That's like saying:

> Ford straight up proved that Béla Barényi (of Mercedes Benz) ideas around crumple zones is all a big waste of time. The world didn't end with the 1938 Ford Prefect[0].

The world won't end overnight with an open fork of ChatGPT.

But it will mean the signal-to-noise ratio rapidly shifts, that spammers and scammers will be much more effective, and that even minor special interest groups (or individuals) get the ability to cheaply fake a diverse crowd of people to support any cause at a slightly higher standard of discourse than the current waterline for random internet comments.

[0] I don't know for certain it didn't have a crumple zone, but given when the patent was granted to Mercedes Benz…

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by ohgodplsno »

Veen wrote: post #43
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #29

capitalism ruins everything. imagine speed of improvement in AI if everything was open sourced, instead of guarding their little secrets. i hope google get f**, hoarding AI knowledge for years, only got shaken after recent events force them.

Do you know of any open source projects with the approximately $5 million it takes to train GPT3? Do you think the AI scientists who invented the underlying techniques would do so without being paid? No, Google and others paid for these people's work. Even if OpenAI was open source and still a non-profit, its funding would come from the profit generated by corporations and the wealth of individuals who became rich th…

>How do you think Sam Altman, Peter Thiel, and Elon Musk were in a position to found OpenAI in the first place?

Wage theft, embezzlement of public funds, socially destructive practices, immoral and downright dangerous behaviors, lies and being children of already wealthy and well connected individuals ?

Capitalism didn't give you OpenAI. Money and talented people working on it gave you OpenAI (hint: none of the people you listed did any work). Whether it comes from sociopath n°2354 as closed source, or a well funded public institution as open research (which, you know, we could have funded if the previously listed sociopaths paid taxes and contributed to society), people being paid did the work.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by vitiral »

3D29021196 wrote: post #11

Step by step, ever since the calling the diver a "pedo", every since the "funding secured" i've began to realise just how petty and pathetic elon is. Every opportunity he has he seems to show just how vindictive he really is. Man child who now has way too much money. Buying Twitter on a whim is the latest in a string of decisions which do not align with the "let's get to Mars and save earths environment" stuff he lik…

“Greatness is a transitory experience. It is never consistent. It depends in part upon the myth-making imagination of humankind. The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in. He must reflect what is projected upon him. And he must have a great sense of the sardonic. This is what uncouples him from belief in his own pretensions. The sardonic is all that permits him to move within himself. Without this quality, even occasional greatness will destroy a man.”

—from “Collected Sayings of Muad’Dib” by the Princess Irulan

Dune, Frank Herbert

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by fwlr »

gorbypark wrote: post #117

Can anyone comment on how the actual structure is setup? I was under the impression that there was still an OpenAI non-profit that controls the OpenAI "capped profit" company. Microsoft has/is acquiring 49% of the capped profit company, so doesn't that leave 51% in control of the non-profit? Am I way off on their structure?

The few people that know the actual nitty gritty details are probably not inclined, incentivized, or permitted to reveal them, so speculation is all we have.

The 10,000ft view: they are capped profit at 100x investment; Microsoft has invested $10 billion; 100x $10 billion = $1 trillion; therefore, OpenAI is a for-profit company until they earn a trillion dollars for Microsoft, and then they’re a non-profit after that.

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Post by patates »

jackmott42 wrote: post #125
Lionga wrote: post #39

Nice grift by Sam Altman taking all the donations and good will a non profit gets just to flip 180. He probably would have done the same with his crypto scam startup worldcoin if it would not have failed in every way before he could scam.

and think of all the talks he is going to do in the future about "hard work" and "ethics" and "innovation"

I'm sure they did work hard and the product is innovative from my understanding of the definition of the word but oh boy does the whole "ethics" theater manage to infuriate me...

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Post by zirgs »

avian wrote: post #69
zirgs wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stable Diffusion is a project like that. It cost millions to develop it. It is free, open source and can be run locally.

Makes you wonder where's the catch, doesn't it?

Where's the catch in Linux?

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Post by joshspankit »

panick21_ wrote: post #64
pavlov wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's lost himself in the fake popularity of being a social media celebrity. He started believing that having 100 million followers on a web site really means that a continent's worth of people adore you. For all his complaints about bots after he got cold feet on the Twitter purchase, he seems strangely naïve about how social media really works and what's real there. “This is ridiculous,” he said, according to multip…

I mean if its true and he has 100 million followers and he has only 10000ish impression then there is something seriously wrong. Because that flat out makes no sense. Even if you assume 60% bods, and 70% of users not reading their timeline.

It makes sense from the perspective of the “social media bait and switch”.

Intuitively you’d think that following someone indicates that you want to see their posts immediately after they post it, but the “algorithms” distort that entirely as a way of making money for the platform.

Whether it’s requiring people to pay $$ to reach more followers, or promoting “posts” (ads) from other paying accounts that you’re not following, or even promoting sticky content designed to keep users on the app a little bit longer (and thus expose them to more ads + boost their DAU count). The whole “timeline” paradigm is a lie. I mean, it’s rarely even sorted by time.

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Post by nwoli »

ivoras wrote: post #150

Yeah, it sucks and the teams has acquired the reputation of sellouts, but in practical terms, does it really matter? It looks like there's a new team with equally good or better models announced on HN every few days. OpenAI looks like they've ingnited the field like no-one before, then did a smart move of selling to a company which has a lot of money but doesn't always know what to do with acquisitions, while at the…

Personally I wouldn’t care if this were the case (make money, that’s awesome), it’s just the hypocrisy and like open lying that bothers me.

If they’d changed name to something else and were clear about their intentions they’d be just another company which is fine.

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Post by ethanwillis »

haolez wrote: post #142
Lionga wrote: post #39

Nice grift by Sam Altman taking all the donations and good will a non profit gets just to flip 180. He probably would have done the same with his crypto scam startup worldcoin if it would not have failed in every way before he could scam.

But was this move made by Sam? I understand that he became CEO after a few years in. Genuinely curious.

Does he refuse to reap the rewards, does he disavow the actions in a meaningful way? If not, then he's just as guilty whether he "did it" himself or not.

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Post by zirgs »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #77
zirgs wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stable Diffusion is free and open source and can be run locally. I see no reason why we can't have free and open source ChatGPT too.

Stable Diffusion is accessible at no charge, but is neither free (libre) software nor open source, as their “don’t use for bad things” clauses run afoul of “freedom 0” aka “no discrimination against fields of endeavour” fundamental to both notions.

They have no way to enforce that "no bad things" clause. In practice they provide a product with no restrictions. Unlike other AI image generators - there's no keyword filter - you can input whatever you want in there.
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