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Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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This seems like stuff that should never be privatized or under non-police control. Police hires company to tow stuff away sure, but not "some random bumblefuck have right to do the police's job of "law enforcement"

I live in a neighborhood with impacted parking that’s poorly served by the local government. People keep parking in front of my driveway and blocking me in. If I call the cops they ignore me. If I call the tow company they come and tow away the offending car. Is this bad? Suppose someone decided my front yard is a good place to store their belongings and dropped a shed there. Should I be able to hire movers to dispos…

I’ve had my fair share of getting towed and it sucks but I lean towards your opinion with this one.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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I worry more about some hacker type deciding to ddos all the McDonalds by telling the cars that’s where they need to be. Kind of surprised it hasn’t happened yet honestly.

I'm not particularly worried about the well-being of the McDonald's corporation. I'd be more worried, if anything, about some bad actor deciding they want every car on a major interstate to wreck all at once.

Yeah, “give us a million dollars or we’ll wreck every car on the highway”.

How about a million dollar cruse missile? Deal?

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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The amount of mental gymnastics I hear from people who illegally park or obstruct society for their own selfish reasons is beyond me. There are places to park, there are places to not park, they don't have an overlap.

I don't agree with this. I'm from the US and have now lived in Japan for 6+ years. We have zero on street parking around the city, yet we joke that the hazard lights button is the "park anywhere" button, and you see it all the time. Because nobody strongly abuses this, it generally works fine and people go on with their lives around them. Even with the small neighborhood streets around Tokyo, you rarely see it being…

Same in Spain, and I guess most of Europe, when you are parking temporarily ( But I'm not talking about blocking the road entirely, of course that's not the case, just parking in places that is not allowed to park statically.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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This is a pretty naive take if you're trying to paint it as enabling an even better outcome for "riskier buyers" This article is something like 5-10 years behind reality: Right now subprime auto loans are mostly enforced with GPS trackers that buyers are usually not made properly aware of, or even worse, tricked into paying for as an add-on pitched as being for their own benefit. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/bu…

You're implying poor people don't understand a car payment. It's a pretty simple you owe x per month. I'm sure there are some who are so financially illiterate they don't understand, but I imagine the vast majority of poor people understand how much they're going to have to pay, and would prefer a company take a chance on them because it lets them get to their jobs.

Please refrain from commenting if you can't do it without putting words in my mouth.

These people are forced into owning cars by a reality of our country that's not changing soon: we're pretty damn car-centric. But they're being taken advantage by a system that uses unethical and even illegal tactics to squeeze them between a rock and a hard place.

The government can either do something upfront and probably save a ton of money while helping lift a lot of people out of a predatory cycle... or it can pick up the pieces after the house of cards comes crashing down.

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The difference is that if it does something upfront people will claim it's evil socialist government charity to lure irresponsible people into voting. Never mind we did give these people checks to float which were often promptly turned in to these scum... leading to the lowest delinquency rate in the history of subprime ABS ratings (and record subprime loan performance!)

Instead the government will do nothing until the house of card falls, leaving a massive wake of destruction. And then the government will throw around cash to help out the various players across the wide wide range of markets that will be hit by the splash damage.

Their lobbyists will be out in full force assuring us this is what's best for the American people. The American people will be instructed that it was an necessary intervention to save the market.

Infusing overleveraged corporations with cash will benefit some very wealthy people (but don't worry it'll trickle down). And then we'll repeat this in 10-20 years.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Brace yourself then, because the future of automotive is highly connected, and in many ways it already is. Every car since the early 2000s has computerized components that control everything from power steering to infotainment systems, and your car probably already communicates with some servers using a built in cellular sim. Hackers have been able to compromise cars for at least a couple of decades, and while car ma…

I recently was working on highly connected autonomous public transportation. Can confirm that connectivity is only increasing, and that cloud connectivity is going to be a hard requirement in the future. As for security, while the automotive manufacturers are aware of dangers, and standards like ISO21434 https://www.iso.org/standard/70918.html are driving them towards better security engineering practices, there is a…

My prediction; there _is_ going to be a severe and widespread automotive security event which cannot be ignored, before that culture shifts.

Yeah that's a big Definitely.

I wish developers and consumers alike exercised a higher standard for software quality and weren't becoming increasingly tolerant of crap.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Aren't repo guys usually just contracted out to do the job and pull the vehicle by the lender? They don't usually have the authority or facilities to take a payment on site.

Some do have some methods approved from banks. Like either pick the car, or get this much money in these payments forms only (& give a receipt).

There was a piece of paper involved that the woman living in the RV had to sign. Much to my annoyance at the time, it took a police officer showing up for that to happen.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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I saw someone's RV getting repossessed over $50 in 2019. They were clearly living in it. I walked over and handed the repo guy $60. He wouldn't take it. This was in a cul de sac. I parked my truck across the way so that it would not be possible to enter or leave the cul de sac. Someone called the cops. The cops showed up after a few minutes, good response time. The lady living in the RV was told that she could not pa…

Why did you feel the need to give the working class guy a hard time for doing his job? He probably makes an hourly wage or a commission on the vehicles he returns to rightful owners and now he’s facing not making any money for the day or possibly being fired. He was operating lawfully and you decided it was your job to enforce your justice. I don’t know, just seems wrong. I think it would have been more noble to take…

I may be a fat bastard these days but I grew up with "If someone big is harassing someone little, let the small person hide behind you". Probably old fashioned these days. Got me in trouble a couple of times in my life but at least I sleep well at night.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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I saw someone's RV getting repossessed over $50 in 2019. They were clearly living in it. I walked over and handed the repo guy $60. He wouldn't take it. This was in a cul de sac. I parked my truck across the way so that it would not be possible to enter or leave the cul de sac. Someone called the cops. The cops showed up after a few minutes, good response time. The lady living in the RV was told that she could not pa…

Aren't repo guys usually just contracted out to do the job and pull the vehicle by the lender? They don't usually have the authority or facilities to take a payment on site.

I don't know. This one in particular was demanding money. Very loudly. That's why I got involved at all.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Brace yourself then, because the future of automotive is highly connected, and in many ways it already is. Every car since the early 2000s has computerized components that control everything from power steering to infotainment systems, and your car probably already communicates with some servers using a built in cellular sim. Hackers have been able to compromise cars for at least a couple of decades, and while car ma…

This is why I only buy old cars. If that becomes impossible in the future, that would be enough to get me to finally give up owning a car entirely.

It will become illegal to own such cars and any cars without smart devices will also be mandated by insurers.

This is the world we're going to see soon.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Sadly, it seems the Titanic must sink to get maritime safety laws. Eventually some hacker will decide crashing cars is fun, and I don't expect real security to happen before that. The same goes for medical equipment.

> some hacker will decide crashing cars is fun $5 says the hacker will be a nation state, and the "fun" will be an assassination that's hard to prove wasn't a glitch.

Perhaps it already happened: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist...
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