Step by step, ever since the calling the diver a "pedo", every since the "funding secured" i've began to realise just how petty and pathetic elon is. Every opportunity he has he seems to show just how vindictive he really is. Man child who now has way too much money. Buying Twitter on a whim is the latest in a string of decisions which do not align with the "let's get to Mars and save earths environment" stuff he likes to be seen as.
OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#12I find it a little odd that Elon seems to take a swipe at OpenAI any opportunity he gets. If he cares so much about them not making money, maybe he should have put his twitter cash there instead? It's reassuring to me that the two people running policy work at the big AI "startups", Jack Clark (Anthropic) and Miles Brundage (OpenAI, who was hired by Jack iirc), are genuinely good humans. I've known Jack for 10 years…
Could you sum up the beefs if it is relevant? I ignore twitter as much as I can. Part of me feels that in the run to more privacy, we don’t really have a reputation system anymore. You mention that Jack and Miles are good people, but how can we know such things as a general public? In the days of yore and people were local you kind of new who was who. In the global space, this becomes hard. I feel this ties in with d…
It's basically exactly as the article. He said he founded open AI (hmmm) with the idea that it's open... ai.. and now it's not, it's closed and for-profit. Re: Jack and Miles, not only is your point well taken, we'd also have to agree that I'm a good judge of character...! :D
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#13I find it a little odd that Elon seems to take a swipe at OpenAI any opportunity he gets. If he cares so much about them not making money, maybe he should have put his twitter cash there instead? It's reassuring to me that the two people running policy work at the big AI "startups", Jack Clark (Anthropic) and Miles Brundage (OpenAI, who was hired by Jack iirc), are genuinely good humans. I've known Jack for 10 years…
OpenAI went downhill fast after Elon left the board of directors due to a "conflict of interest" with Tesla. I don't know if he would have allowed the for-profit restructuring after giving them so much money precisely so that it didn't need profits for AI research. It probably also didn't help that he poached Karpathy from them and put him in charge of Tesla's AI efforts. So it's no surprise that there is a lot of potiential beef here.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#14"Open" as in "Open for Big Business"?
The main reason to worry, though, is not the proprietary monetization of "AI" algorithms: Just like it was not an algorithm (pagerank) but the invention of adtech that spawned surveillance capitalism, here too the main question is what sort of "disruption" can this tech facilitate, as in which social contract will be violated in order to "create value".
"Success" in "tech" has for a long time been predicated on the absence of any regulation, pushback or controls when applying software technology in social / economic spheres previously operating under different moral conventions. In the name of "not stiffling innovation".
Ironically our main protection is that we may actually now live a "scorched Earth" environment. The easy disruptions are done and "tech innovation" is bumping against domains (finance, medical) that are "sensitive".
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#15Step by step, ever since the calling the diver a "pedo", every since the "funding secured" i've began to realise just how petty and pathetic elon is. Every opportunity he has he seems to show just how vindictive he really is. Man child who now has way too much money. Buying Twitter on a whim is the latest in a string of decisions which do not align with the "let's get to Mars and save earths environment" stuff he lik…
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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#16Step by step, ever since the calling the diver a "pedo", every since the "funding secured" i've began to realise just how petty and pathetic elon is. Every opportunity he has he seems to show just how vindictive he really is. Man child who now has way too much money. Buying Twitter on a whim is the latest in a string of decisions which do not align with the "let's get to Mars and save earths environment" stuff he lik…
He's lost himself in the fake popularity of being a social media celebrity. He started believing that having 100 million followers on a web site really means that a continent's worth of people adore you. For all his complaints about bots after he got cold feet on the Twitter purchase, he seems strangely naïve about how social media really works and what's real there.
“This is ridiculous,” he said, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the meeting. “I have more than 100 million followers, and I’m only getting tens of thousands of impressions.”
- https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/9/23593099/elon-musk-twitter...
By Monday afternoon, “the problem” had been “fixed.” Twitter deployed code to automatically “greenlight” all of Musk’s tweets, meaning his posts will bypass Twitter’s filters designed to show people the best content possible. The algorithm now artificially boosted Musk’s tweets by a factor of 1,000 – a constant score that ensured his tweets rank higher than anyone else’s in the feed.
- https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23600358/elon-musk-tweets...
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#17In my opinion, I think it was kind of inevitable. Once OpenAI proved that AI could create genuinely meaningful outputs and then other companies started doing it for profit, and of course taking into account the costs of trying to run the thing itself, it was only a matter of time.
I don't follow, other companies can do whatever they want. OpenAI didn't present itself as for-profit and closed-source, so they shouldn't have cared what profit incentive others had.
In a way I wish for another AI winter. Then wouldn't have to mourn the loss of aesthetics and morality
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#18If someone can make money off something, after achieving global visibility, they will - it's almost an iron law. The only exceptions I can think of are Wikipedia, Archive.org, and Wikileaks.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#19I find it a little odd that Elon seems to take a swipe at OpenAI any opportunity he gets. If he cares so much about them not making money, maybe he should have put his twitter cash there instead? It's reassuring to me that the two people running policy work at the big AI "startups", Jack Clark (Anthropic) and Miles Brundage (OpenAI, who was hired by Jack iirc), are genuinely good humans. I've known Jack for 10 years…
OpenAI went downhill fast after Elon left the board of directors due to a "conflict of interest" with Tesla. I don't know if he would have allowed the for-profit restructuring after giving them so much money precisely so that it didn't need profits for AI research. It probably also didn't help that he poached Karpathy from them and put him in charge of Tesla's AI efforts. So it's no surprise that there is a lot of po…
So Elon wanted to build an open source non-profit AI but had to resign from openAI, which he had cofounded with that intention, because he wanted to create a closed-source and for-profit AI for Tesla and that brought a conflict of interest. Sounds quite contradictory to me to present this as an argument to construct an image of open-source, non-profit advocate. It reads as "I support open-source etc AI as long as it is others who do it, my intentions are to use AI for profit".
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#20This seems an important article, if for no other reason than it brings the betrayal of its foundational claim still brazenly present in OpenAI's name from the obscurity of HN comments going back years into the public light and the mainstream.
They've achieved marvellous things, OpenAI, but the pivot and long-standing refusal to deal with it honestly leaves an unpleasant taste, and doesn't bode well for the future, especially considering the enormous ethical implications of advantage in the field they are leading.