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Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Is it always connected or do drivers need to pay a fee for connectivity?

Car connects free for itself, and loads navigation, traffic, location on app etc. If you want a wifi hotspot, thats $300 a year from ATT network 2ith 22GB fast speed per month. Source: my car.

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Car connects free for itself, and loads navigation, traffic, location on app etc. If you want a wifi hotspot, thats $300 a year from ATT network 2ith 22GB fast speed per month. Source: my car.

Cool, thanks. What happens if it doesn't have a connection with the cell network? Do those features still work?

No, GPS Shows a red circle & Line if car is far in basements or in downtown. No Traffic Data if no mobile coverage (although no symbols to show how much mobile coverage it has). App shows only last known location (& gas level, odometer, tyre pressure etc) from last point in time connected. Remote start & doors lock/unlock will not work if car is not connected.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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The problem with this isn't the idea of a car repossessing itself per se, because repossession is already a legitimate thing; it's the idea that your car can be remotely controlled by anyone other than you. There are already so many things that can go wrong. I don't want to buy a car that can be remotely disabled because I drove near a protest, or because there was a "clerical error" at Ford, or because my payment di…

I think all parents will agree that having a connected car is a dream come true. Ideally, I would be able to drive my children remotely using my phone so that I can ensure they are not driving recklessly.

Parent here, strong disagree. If I can spy on them and control their vehicle, who else can?

At some point you have to trust your kids to not be stupid. If you can't do that, you done messed up in raising them.

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There's a lot that can be done by disintegrated systems, too. I put cameras onto a box truck so I had reversing etc, but I used an 8-camera wired security system with video recorder and eSIM for that. The screen was optional but I found one that only had one button (to toggle views) rather than a "command console" type that by its nature gave full control over the security system. Driving around displaying the bumper…

Which anti theft tracker did you go with? Is it a standalone unit with big battery? Just asking because you mention it. Everyone is reselling the more or less same cheap Chinese units at insane markups. Firmware seems to be mostly identical. The tracking portals never have HTTPS. I haven't been able to find anything decent so far.

Sorry, I can't remember, this was several years ago and I've since sold the truck. But loosely my requirements were 24V input to match the truck, battery life of at least a week, external antenna and ability to work without user input. I just played on ebay until I found one that looked likely, searched for support forums and found a discussion on a European trucking forum where they liked it. It was under $US100.

Access to it was either via the manufacturer website or you could configure your own server IP and it would send JSON packets via HTTP post. No verification of the server, but it was also annoying enough to configure that I thought even a thief that found it would just smash it rather than fscking with it. AFAIK no-one ever did, it only stopped working when I stopped paying for the eSIM (the new owner never took over that tracker even though I told them all about it)

The immobiliser was a whole other ball of shit. It had a keyfob, but also remote monitoring via a physical SIM. I couldn't find a DIY-able one, so I was paying ~$US50/year to some Chinese company to monitor the system and allow me to track and immobilise it via their app. That worked, as did the geographic restrictions, but it was also easy enough to remove/bypass - the new owner hated the system and rang me to yell about it before removing it. I assume they just added a bypass wire and moved on.

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> I'm pretty happy with the old, non-Internet-connected car that I drive. I'm so happy with it that I will never own one that is internet connected, unless I can disable the internet connection in some way.

Curious whats your plan if new cars become increasingly internet connected, kinda how smart TVs went? Will you keep driving early 2000s cars until they become "vintage"?

Spend the money maintaining an older car

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> I'm pretty happy with the old, non-Internet-connected car that I drive. I'm so happy with it that I will never own one that is internet connected, unless I can disable the internet connection in some way.

Curious whats your plan if new cars become increasingly internet connected, kinda how smart TVs went? Will you keep driving early 2000s cars until they become "vintage"?

Aftermarket parts are available to repair old cars. I for one plan to keep repairing mine, even if that means rebuilding/replacing the engine, transmission, etc.. I will never accept the tyranny of an internet connected automobile.

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Maybe a better lesson than “confront / physically endanger the tow truck driver who is doing his job” is “don’t block traffic in an 8 house cul de sac because you wanted to get something from your room but didn’t want to actually bother finding parking.” This all reads like entitled driver behavior to me. Or dumb college antics that are best left behind. -former car owner

> This all reads like entitled driver behavior to me. You sure? GP: > Before the police showed up, an SUV showed up with some tow truck heavies with, no doubt, plenty of illegal weapons on them, just to spectate and make sure things went the way they wanted. Sounds more like thugs engaging in predatory behavior to me.

I think in this case, both parties were wrong. Sometimes that happens - nobody is right.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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That's true as long as you don't use one of those ungodly bluetooth shifters with built-in end-of-life cycle.

> bluetooth shifters what in tarnation

https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/information/news/new-shimano-...

It's not clear to me that the wireless shifters themselves communicate via Bluetooth, though the system does use that to talk to a smartphone app, if desired.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Well if this is how the new cars are gonna be, I guess I'll just go ahead and teach myself to be a Car Guy so that the one I have now will run forever. It's not that I'm afraid of missing a payment. At this point I would probably buy the car outright. But after the robo-signing debacle with BoA repossesssing houses that they were never party to, the mere capability renders the machine fundamentally untrustworthy.

Having trouble thinking what user-facing technology cars have gained recently that I actually need. Backup cameras are nice, my last two cars had them but my current one does not. Life goes on. Heard anecdotally that new cars in US require then now, so I guess next car will probably have one again. Blindspot indicators on side mirrors are nice too, but physically turning and looking is too engrained in me to stop doi…

Lane assist is actually really nice. I also had 0 interest but now I use it.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Which anti theft tracker did you go with? Is it a standalone unit with big battery? Just asking because you mention it. Everyone is reselling the more or less same cheap Chinese units at insane markups. Firmware seems to be mostly identical. The tracking portals never have HTTPS. I haven't been able to find anything decent so far.

Sorry, I can't remember, this was several years ago and I've since sold the truck. But loosely my requirements were 24V input to match the truck, battery life of at least a week, external antenna and ability to work without user input. I just played on ebay until I found one that looked likely, searched for support forums and found a discussion on a European trucking forum where they liked it. It was under $US100. Ac…

Ha, no worries! Thanks for responding though. All this stuff is super frustrating to deal with. I see regular posts on forums about people having to deal with old shitty immobiliser installs that have turned bad.

My thinking is that GPS tracking at least gives a chance of finding the car again if it gets stolen.

Being able to configure a server is already great. Will do some more digging.

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