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Throwing Hollywood under the bus could pay dividends for GOP

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Re: Throwing Hollywood under the bus could pay dividends for GOP

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I would hate to see this become a partisan issue. There are plenty of people on every side who hate this crap.

Obviously, the best situation would be for majorities in both parties to be against this stuff. But a world where Republicans are against it and Dems are for it is much better than the world we've had for the last few years, in which both parties were on Hollywood's side.

Hopefully the Democrats will fail to promote their restrictions to the younger/more liberal crowd.

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Great! Now if the Republicans also cut their ties to religion and stopped wasting so much money on war zones, they could become a party worth voting for.

Seeing how all candidates besides Ron Paul, and I would think a big part of the Republican party right now wants more laws like the Patriot Act, defending the Internet seems completely incompatible with the current Republican party. Sure, they used to be about limited Government and all that, but I don't think that's really their core anymore. If they do this, it will be purely a political play. But who knows, maybe this will give the opportunity to some people who actually believe in this to rise up in the party. But ultimately, I'd still hate for this to become a partisan issue. Both - or all - parties should want Internet freedom.

Re: Throwing Hollywood under the bus could pay dividends for GOP

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I would hate to see this become a partisan issue. There are plenty of people on every side who hate this crap.

I'd be happy to see the parties compete on this issue of how to make Hollywood and friends no longer a threat to free speech and the net. Democrats could push for European-style subsidy of production. Republicans could push for letting the market work - advertising, product placement, etc are all that's needed. Both programs can agree on eliminating copyright for entertainment works.

While that'd be a nice way for competition to play out, I doubt that's what we're actually going to see. What both programs really agree on is precisely "copyright for entertainment works". The Democrats are pushing SOPA; the Republicans pushed the DMCA and copyright extension. They disagree mainly over tactics/timing/details.

I can see the Republicans trying to strongly dissociate themselves from SOPA, but I give it approximately 0% chance that they're going to recant the DMCA or Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act, or even loosen their position on the DMCA moderately to the extent of supporting more exemptions to the anti-circumvention clause.

Re: Throwing Hollywood under the bus could pay dividends for GOP

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This is idiotic. Silicon Valley and all the surrounding areas vote overwhelmingly Democratic. One stupid piece of legistation doesn't overcome the fact that the GOP are science-hating religious zealots. Republicans have a LOT of work to do before many people in this region would even consider a vote for them.

Re: Throwing Hollywood under the bus could pay dividends for GOP

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While this may work in the short term, this is exactly what I was worried about - for Internet freedom to become a partisan issue - with some standing to defend Internet freedom, and others wanted to restrict it. Because that means that eventually a party or a candidate will be elected to implement those restrictions. That would be an awful outcome, and I hope we can maintain Internet freedom as bi-partisan, or bette…

Don't worry. Take a look at abortion -- there is a lot of talk about it in DC, but even those who are against it don't pass legislation, because if they did they wouldn't have that to yell about.

Re: Throwing Hollywood under the bus could pay dividends for GOP

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This is idiotic. Silicon Valley and all the surrounding areas vote overwhelmingly Democratic. One stupid piece of legistation doesn't overcome the fact that the GOP are science-hating religious zealots. Republicans have a LOT of work to do before many people in this region would even consider a vote for them.

I'm not sure I agree that it is idiotic. Certainly the GOP's track record on neutrality is abhorrent, but if the Republicans successfully turn this into a partisan issue where they are against and the dems are for, those who typically vote democrat and also support the internet will be faced with a decision in regard to what issue(s) take priority and who will be rewarded with the vote.

Keep in mind that a republican does't necessarily have to get a democrat's vote to come out ahead in this case. All it takes is for the democratic voter to be so disgusted with his party's position that he either votes third party or doesn't vote at all.

I despise the idea of it becoming a for & against partisan issue because of the swell of support that would ultimately result in, but it could be politically effective in an evil-ish way.

Re: Throwing Hollywood under the bus could pay dividends for GOP

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Great! Now if the Republicans also cut their ties to religion and stopped wasting so much money on war zones, they could become a party worth voting for.

It's hard for us bay area folks to remember this sometime, but 90% of Americans identify themselves as religious. Your advice would be spectacularly bad for the GOP.

I believe my time is better spent promoting federalism and other variations of "live and let live" than convincing others to drop their religion.

Re: Throwing Hollywood under the bus could pay dividends for GOP

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The big takeaway from this isn't that the GOP is a knee-jerk anti-hollywood, anti-SOPA party. Indeed, there are plenty of people in the conservative establishment who were either supportive of or mute on SOPA and SOPA-like legislation prior to blackout day, and who changed not out of principle, but practicality.

But this does highlight the fact that our overly-simplified view of political parties in the United States as monolithic entities of zombie-politicians who take marching orders from the party establishment is quite out of step with the reality, particularly where conservatives are concerned. The GOP is a surprisingly diverse political entity, accepting the likes of Ron Paul on one extreme and George W. Bush on the other. Indeed, in the "center", it can often be difficult to tell the difference between "moderates" of either party.

All of which is to say, it is often unwise to make sweeping statements about large political entities simply because prominent politicians within that movement are vocal about a particular issue. Often the fight within a large political party is as heated as the battles with other political parties. Savvy voters would do well to recognize that fact.

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