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Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by riskneutral »

tikkun wrote: post #12
ilaksh wrote: post #7

The Foundry pricing, $78,000 for a few months minimum, is absolutely the opposite of Open. It could completely kill my small startup if the API goes from less than a penny per request to requiring a huge up-front investment. It means that anyone bootstrapping is now locked out.

They only require an up front payment if you're renting a dedicated instance.

Dedicated instances (and high price tags, like $1.5 million per year) are necessary for large corporations to feel safe about sending their proprietary/private data to OpenAI, and to have performance/availablity SLAs in place if/when they start depending on OpenAI for critical workloads. Right now many companies are blocking access to OpenAI entirely because of the data privacy issues. I wouldn't be surprised if this "leak" is intentional and a way of getting feedback from the market on proposed product/pricing. I also wouldn't be surprised if some larger customers are knocking on OpenAI's door and demanding to run OpenAI's models on their own infrastructure to avoid sending any data outside their network.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by dragonwriter »

> This really should not be a surprise, because even the standard-issue ChatGPT can pass the Bar Exam

No, it can’t.

The two things that together have sometimes gotten misrepresented that way in “game of telephone” presentations are:

(1) that when tested on the multiple choice component of the multistate bar exam (not the whole bar exam), it got passing grades in two subjects (evidence and torts), not the whole multiple choice section; which is very much not the same thing as being able to pass the exam, and 50.3% overall (better than chance, since its four choices per question, but also very much not passing.) https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4314839

(2) that a set of law professors gave it the exams for four individual law courses and it got an average of C+ scores on those exams, which are minimally-passing grades (but not on the bar exam.) https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/chatgpt-passes-l...

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by ccakes »

> Streamline hiring – in such a hot market, personalizing outreach, assessing resumes, summarizing & flagging profiles, and suggesting interview questions. For companies who have an overabundance of candidates, perhaps even conducting initial interviews?

That's a hiring red flag if I've ever seen one. The nightmare dystopia is just around the corner it seems.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by 3throwaway3141 »

ccakes wrote: post #23

> Streamline hiring – in such a hot market, personalizing outreach, assessing resumes, summarizing & flagging profiles, and suggesting interview questions. For companies who have an overabundance of candidates, perhaps even conducting initial interviews? That's a hiring red flag if I've ever seen one. The nightmare dystopia is just around the corner it seems.

Dystopia? I think of it as a great comedy! We could be only months away from the first-ever hire where both the applicant and the company have automated the entire process and may not even realize there's been an accepted offer.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by mc32 »

buildbot wrote: post #13
mc32 wrote: post #9

With reports[1] (maybe exaggerated, maybe apocryphal) of companies replacing FTEs with chatGPT, even at these high prices, it may make sense in some use cases, no, tho presumably this kills the playpen use cases. [1] https://it.slashdot.org/story/23/02/27/009234/survey-claims-...

Nobody is doing this, unless you have a source you would like to link?

According to this survey: https://it.slashdot.org/story/23/02/27/009234/survey-claims-...

"Earlier this month, job advice platform Resumebuilder.com surveyed 1,000 business leaders who either use or plan to use ChatGPT. It found that nearly half of their companies have implemented the chatbot. And roughly half of this cohort say ChatGPT has already replaced workers at their companies...."

There are anecdotes elsewhere as well.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by wmf »

tikkun wrote: post #12
ilaksh wrote: post #7

The Foundry pricing, $78,000 for a few months minimum, is absolutely the opposite of Open. It could completely kill my small startup if the API goes from less than a penny per request to requiring a huge up-front investment. It means that anyone bootstrapping is now locked out.

They only require an up front payment if you're renting a dedicated instance.

Yeah but will "DV" be available any other way?

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by hudsonjr »

buildbot wrote: post #13
mc32 wrote: post #9

With reports[1] (maybe exaggerated, maybe apocryphal) of companies replacing FTEs with chatGPT, even at these high prices, it may make sense in some use cases, no, tho presumably this kills the playpen use cases. [1] https://it.slashdot.org/story/23/02/27/009234/survey-claims-...

Nobody is doing this, unless you have a source you would like to link?

I think the source was this: https://www.resumebuilder.com/1-in-4-companies-have-already-...

Now I would ask, what "business leaders" would fill out a random survey for a resume company. Additionally there's no real meaty info provided.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by candiddevmike »

ilaksh wrote: post #7

The Foundry pricing, $78,000 for a few months minimum, is absolutely the opposite of Open. It could completely kill my small startup if the API goes from less than a penny per request to requiring a huge up-front investment. It means that anyone bootstrapping is now locked out.

That's the risk you take when you create irreplaceable dependencies.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by version_five »

dragonwriter wrote: post #22

> This really should not be a surprise, because even the standard-issue ChatGPT can pass the Bar Exam No, it can’t. The two things that together have sometimes gotten misrepresented that way in “game of telephone” presentations are: (1) that when tested on the multiple choice component of the multistate bar exam (not the whole bar exam), it got passing grades in two subjects (evidence and torts), not the whole multip…

I know this isnt the same, but:

I've long had it on my list of things to try to train a classifier to predict the answer to multiple choice tests based on embedding of the questions. Many tests I've seen don't require actual intelligence to pass, just a plausible answer relative to the question phrasing

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by all2 »

rnd0 wrote: post #19
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

So much for "Open" AI. Open-source algorithm? No. Open access for free, or reasonable prices? No. Open emails and conversations of directors (accountability)? No. Open conversations of issues and ethics? No.

Thank fuck they weren't called "HomelandAI" or "LibertyAI" or somesuch!

I smell a business opportunity. "HomelandAI" sounds rather nationalist.
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