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Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Post by e_i_pi_2 »

mauvehaus wrote: post #90

I feel like in order to patent a thing, you should need have to have a credible implementation of the thing being patented. An implementation of this clearly requires at least level 4 autonomy[0], which AFAIK, nobody has demonstrated. This is only slightly closer to a real-world implementation than a patent for asteroid mining, never mind commercial viability. Mind you, I don't consider that a bad thing; this is pret…

Can I reapply for a patent every week until I can prove that someone else demonstrated the tech, then claim their developments? We already have patent trolls, I don't think this would necessarily help.

I think the better solution would be to say "you registered the patent, you get credit for the idea, but whoever makes it first gets the legal rights to sell it" - then people get credit for idea creation and also for making it a reality. I'd ideally add that they have to publicly disclose the info as well but idk how that would affect R&D

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Post by IanCal »

motohagiography wrote: post #41

I work in security and anti-fraud is the use case of last resort for terrible ideas. When you finance a car, the vehicle becomes collateral for a loan, but it belongs to you. A technology like this means that the vehicle still belongs to Ford, which means if something goes wrong with it, or if you get sciatica from their shitty seats, you can class action sue them into oblivion. The reason we have laws is so that peo…

I'm not sure I really get the difference between this and having some people rock up with a truck and take my car.

If they don't have the right to do that, it's theft, either way around.

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Post by harvey9 »

jwilber wrote: post #223
rootusrootus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, this was the number one comment yesterday on the Reddit thread about this.

Yeah these comments are awful. Someone even wrote, “take my upvote.” Not a good look for HN discus quality. Back on topic: I find this hard to believe, what happens if it repossess itself by mistake? Gets in an accident on the way home during said repo? Especially since nowadays most Fords are just oversized trucks. And why is this even a desired feature? Is the average Ford customer that untrustworthy? I’m curious w…

I take it to mean they're writing this into the lease agreement in readiness for full autonomous driving.

Desired feature for leasing companies and as to damage after the company takes remote possession I expect the same shenanigans you get when returning rentals.

Re: Future Fords could repossess themselves and drive away if you miss payments

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Post by e_i_pi_2 »

nonethewiser wrote: post #229

People don't seem to fully grasp what not driving your car means. If you're not driving, you're not in control of where it goes. That sounds redundant yet people dont seem cognizant of the 2nd phrasing. You dont control the car, you make requests of it. It can say no. Looking very far into the future, it's not hard to imagine that all cars are self driving by default with some highly-regulated exception, for purposes…

Aren't you already not in control of where you go on foot? We have plenty of restricted areas for everything from anti-terrorism, govt buildings, and private property. There's even private roads for driving - this doesn't really change the laws it just makes enforcement easier. My hope is that we can automate enforcement of stuff like speeding tickets, and then people would get upset and we'd either raise the speed limit, lower the ticket price, or agree that it's not safe to drive that fast (or in that area)

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Post by Gordonjcp »

toast0 wrote: post #61
RobotToaster wrote: post #10

Great, now we're going to get country music about how some guy's truck left him.

I thought country music was already about my wife died, my dog won't start, and my truck ran away?

You know what happens when you play it backwards?

You get out of jail, your wife comes back, your dog comes back to life, you get your truck back, you get your farm back...

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Post by rmason »

Any system that can be built or imagined will be hacked. Something as simple as pulling a fuse that would take down the vehicles Internet might be all that is needed to prevent this from happening. I don't think the repo men will be out of a job anytime soon.

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Post by toast0 »

lasermike026 wrote: post #231
toast0 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no way for a human to operate a car safely over a mid to long period of time. My observed injury rate per vehicle mile, per trip, or per time spent, in a car is much lower than the same rates on a bicycle. Incidentally, my largest injury on a bike was due to street car rails, so thanks public transit for making the roads less safe for bicycling. I can't count the number of times I've tripped while walking,…

In the future you will not have a choice. Cars are already gone you just don't know it yet.

In the future, my transportation may be more limited. In the mean time, I'm going to use the best option I have for my needs. If cars are gone, most of the places I've lived are uninhabitable, and I'll have to live somewhere I'd rather not live, so there's that.

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Post by Symbiote »

goostavos wrote: post #230
rootusrootus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, this was the number one comment yesterday on the Reddit thread about this.

These comments take me all the way back to Digg days. Please make it stop...

Press the [–] button on the parent comment, or the Back button, or the downvote button.

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Post by ethanwillis »

nickff wrote: post #234
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN guidelines quote: "Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Whether it actually is, or is not, is irrelevant.

But Jader's account is over ten years old, as is mine, so I don't think you can credibly accuse them of being a noob. I happen to believe that HN has gotten substantially worse, and more Reddit-like over the 15 years I've been using it. That said, this change is likely because more people (from a broader spectrum of backgrounds) are using it, and the site's total utility has probably increased.

The total utility has increased for who? Not for me. Half the time when I want to have a more nuanced discussion or talk about primary sources it just doesn't happen.
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