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Canada bans TikTok on government devices over security risks

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Re: Canada bans TikTok on government devices over security risks

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Post by dpkirchner »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #28
honkler wrote: post #27

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because china. There's no other reason besides this. American empire and its vassal states (like canada) are feeling threatened by the rise of the east.

Don’t understand this reasoning at all. China bans all Western social media tech in the widest way possible for more than a decade and the minute a Western govt enacts a ban on govt devices, folks say this is unfair.

I think a big part of the objection over banning TikTok is that we, in the US, feel we should be able to make our own choices when it comes to social media (and most everything). Banning an app is antithetical to freedom.

Re: Canada bans TikTok on government devices over security risks

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Post by washadjeffmad »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #49
snehk wrote: post #42

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Facebook, Instagram and Twitter as well. American three letter agencies have access to their data (revealed by Edward Snowden) and the US kills people based on this data[1]. [1] http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-w...

No, that's a separate issue unrelated to this one. If biden wants to show you pictures of seahorses on instagram, there really is no practical way to do it. If Xi wants to show you seahorses on tiktok, you'll be seeing them tomorrow. Its a completely different situation, it bothers me that people try so hard to muddy the waters with whataboutism.

What if an administration didn't want to show us pictures of seahorses, but, say, no anti-war opinions? How hard would they have to try to ensure we all saw stories of our valiant friends and allies in need of our aid against a ruthless, despicable enemy?

How difficult would it be to prevent, suppress, or undermine journalistic scrutiny of a contentious military conflict?

Do we already know?

Re: Canada bans TikTok on government devices over security risks

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Post by SECProto »

newsclues wrote: post #25
SECProto wrote: post #21

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Personally, I trust the relevant government institutions (Elections Canada, CSIS, etc) to know and address it properly. While more information being released would be good, I don't think a public inquiry is the right format.

I don't trust to government to police itself behind closed doors. Secrecy is not breeding trust and unity. But please, why isn't a public inquiry the correct format and what is the right format that will balance national security and public trust (just because you trust government, doesn't mean other reasonable people do as well, like me). So please convince me that we shouldn't investigate this in public after the P…

> But please, why isn't a public inquiry the correct format and what is the right format that will balance national security and public trust

I already gave you a list of 4 reasons I think a public inquiry is not the best format. You dismissed them out of hand, and without even providing your own reasons why you think it is the best method. Just because you don't trust the public service, doesn't mean other reasonable people don't, like me :)

Re: Canada bans TikTok on government devices over security risks

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

snehk wrote: post #46
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t understand this reasoning at all. China bans all Western social media tech in the widest way possible for more than a decade and the minute a Western govt enacts a ban on govt devices, folks say this is unfair.

Companies like Google and Facebook CHOOSE to not operate in China because they don't want to follow the the laws that Chinese companies are following. They're not banned, they're not allowed to operate unless they comply with local laws. Just like they wouldn't be allowed to operate in Europe if they didn't show a Cookie pop-up. It's not like they're not allowed to operate in China because they're American apps. The…

False

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/042915/why-f...

Any source to backup your claim?

> The US should make the data collection itself illegal for everyone and be done with it. They're currently walking this weird path where the exact same data collection is fine if it's Americans doing. It's not one set of rules for everyone.

Data collection is NOT the issue.

Foreign govt interference is the issue. If tomorrow Google were controlled by a hostile foreign govt., they would face the same bans.

Re: Canada bans TikTok on government devices over security risks

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

dpkirchner wrote: post #51
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t understand this reasoning at all. China bans all Western social media tech in the widest way possible for more than a decade and the minute a Western govt enacts a ban on govt devices, folks say this is unfair.

I think a big part of the objection over banning TikTok is that we, in the US, feel we should be able to make our own choices when it comes to social media (and most everything). Banning an app is antithetical to freedom.

TikTok is not banned for the public.

You are still free to use TikTok even if you are a govt employee on your private device.

This is the well known paradox of tolerance.

It is necessary for a free society to ban certain things.

Our govt already mandates a lot.

> Banning an app is antithetical to freedom.

No it isn't. We already ban a ton of stuff. Suddenly, freedom lovers have woken up and are complaining because we banned TikTok on govt. devices.

Re: Canada bans TikTok on government devices over security risks

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Post by dpkirchner »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #57
dpkirchner wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a big part of the objection over banning TikTok is that we, in the US, feel we should be able to make our own choices when it comes to social media (and most everything). Banning an app is antithetical to freedom.

TikTok is not banned for the public. You are still free to use TikTok even if you are a govt employee on your private device. This is the well known paradox of tolerance. It is necessary for a free society to ban certain things. Our govt already mandates a lot. > Banning an app is antithetical to freedom. No it isn't. We already ban a ton of stuff. Suddenly, freedom lovers have woken up and are complaining because we…

> TikTok is not banned for the public.

Never said it was -- if you follow the thread you'll see I was replying to someone pointing out that China has banned US social networks. The implication being that true US banning TikTok would only be fair, or something like that.

> We already ban a ton of stuff.

We do... and those bans do limit freedom, by definition. We've accepted that in a lot of cases -- few are arguing that child porn should be anything but banned, for example -- but I doubt we'd accept a government ban or restriction on, say, League of Legends simply because kids spend too much time on it (China places restrictions on time of day and duration).

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