Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

Post by sneak » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 4:21 PM UTC

this_user wrote: post #30

tannhaeuser wrote: post #13

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> the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services Speak for yourself. I'm not in the US and still prefer SMS, simply because you can port over your contacts and don't have to share them with shady businesses on a fscking platform, for freaking text messages, something we already did 30 years ago (not counting emails almost double as old).

So you'd rather pay extra to send completely unencrypted messages?

Post by downrightmike » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 4:29 PM UTC

eertami wrote: post #8

bmitc wrote: post #4

Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

Having lived all over the world, but not the US, I don't think I've sent or received an SMS/text message once in the last decade (except for bad 2FA implementations). Apple's weird and semi-transparent (to the user) hybrid system of mixing a proprietary web protocol and SMS in the same app is obviously problematic, and the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services, but it's weird that the US is still stu…

Post by rootusrootus » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

saiya-jin wrote: post #24

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It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't but IMO relying on another proprietary protocol (i.e. WhatsApp) really isn't great either. I kind of think everyone is in an awful place.

I agree that proprietary protocols suck and users are harmed long term, iMessage due to reasons described is by far the worst : it doesn't even bother to tell senders reliably if recipients received it, not even going into read status. Due to Apple's desperate need to keep all their inventions to themselves only regardless of long term effects (lightning port say hi and bye in quick succession), its worse than useles…

Post by acomjean » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 4:32 PM UTC

downrightmike wrote: post #43

eertami wrote: post #8

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Having lived all over the world, but not the US, I don't think I've sent or received an SMS/text message once in the last decade (except for bad 2FA implementations). Apple's weird and semi-transparent (to the user) hybrid system of mixing a proprietary web protocol and SMS in the same app is obviously problematic, and the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services, but it's weird that the US is still stu…

SMS is an old and dated protocol that we strangely use for security 2FA too. There needs to be an updated protocol, there is one in the works, but the carriers AT&T and it's spawn, are really trying to set it up so they can nickel and dime users.

Post by kitsunesoba » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 4:36 PM UTC

rhaway84773 wrote: post #31

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It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't It's not odd at all. Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability. Lots of non-iPhones in the rest of the world because of comparatively low incomes, and significantly less iPhone availability. I see no mystery.

I think the real reason is that in the early 2000s, pre-iPhone, texting was ridiculously expensive in the US and much cheaper in the rest of the world. Also, Americans were using awful phones while the RoW was using much better phones like Nokias thst even in their non-communicator series made texting far easier thanks to stuff like T9. So the rest of the world used SMS and texting far more than Americans Pre-smartph…