I really don't understand why a republican would sponsor this. Their party claims to want a smaller government, and yet, they don't have a problem with a more intrusive one?
SOPA sponsors return: "think of the children"
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#12Where's YC with a startup to catch people who sexually abuse children?
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#13We need to call them out on how Orwellian this bill is and how they are hiding behind child abuse to monitor the whole Internet and everyone, before they get a chance to ask "why are we against protecting children online?". Let's frame the issue before they do. Also bring up the point that Rep. Lofgren tried to add an amendment called "Keep Every American's Digital Data for Submission to the Federal Government Withou…
Maybe Reddit should organize a campaign to send every member of congress a copy of _1984_, and maybe _Fahrenheit 451_. Seems like they could pull it off. On the other hand, it might just give them more ideas.
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#14I really don't understand why a republican would sponsor this. Their party claims to want a smaller government, and yet, they don't have a problem with a more intrusive one?
The things the parties champion are what they can always most easily intrude upon because their bases ignore it (they buy the jargon and assume their party stands for what they claim).
For example, it wasn't Clinton that doubled the size of the government, it was Bush and Reagan both. It was the Bush spending increases that have really sanctioned Obama's spending increases. Bush would say he was for lower taxes, but his spending forces long term tax rates to skyrocket.
But it was Clinton that set new records on pot busts. It was the Democrats that tried to restrict freedom of speech with the fairness doctrine (nice name). The Democrats have had no problem with the Patriot Act thus far. It was a supposedly civil liberties loving President that just wiped out habeas corpus and the right to due process (NDAA bill).
The Democrats champion civil liberties and hammer you on them all day long. The Republicans champion free markets, yet they've acted the like the anti-free-market party (including creating the Federal Reserve in secret).
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#16The usual assumption about politicians and lawmaking goes something like this:
A lawmaker receives large contributions from certain moneyed groups with an agenda, and will introduce legislation favorable to that group. The only way to prevent this from happening is to either contribute more money to the opposing side or more directly by ensuring that passage of the legislation will anger so much of the populace that no amount of money will save the incumbent come election time.
That doesn't seem to make sense in this case. The same technologically clueless people who introduced SOPA aren't of their own accord going to decide that ISP's need to keep a year of DHCP logs in case that information is useful later.
It looks like the only entity to benefit from this would be the U.S. Attorney General, as it ostensibly will prevent the circumstance where the evidence of a case hinges on tying a person/household to an IP address but the logs are missing or overwritten.
Creepy. If this involved real-world monitoring and logging it would be the biggest news story of the day, but since it's the Internet it's just tech stuff.
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#17Where's YC with a startup to catch people who sexually abuse children?
Catching predators is (still) a matter of law enforcement (and IMHO that's a useful safeguard, even if flawed in some instances).
Providing law enforcement with better tools might be a worthwhile geek venture (and given the tools they are sold by megacorps, "better" might not even be hard), but with the existing procurement rules (etc etc) it's probably hard for a startup to enter that market.
Alternative route: Build tools to optimize other public office work, and then use the political process to request that freed money (and headcount) is retargetted to supporting the police ("think of the children!"). While there is still a procurement problem, there might be areas covered in less red tape than police work.
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#18When is Lamar Smith's next election? Are there any candidates running who would say they're opposed to this nonsense? Seriously consideing putting together a PAC in New York City.
Update: Ouch, this will be expensive... http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/elections.php?cycle=2...
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#19I really don't understand why a republican would sponsor this. Their party claims to want a smaller government, and yet, they don't have a problem with a more intrusive one?
BOTH parties agree on the important things : getting more control and power for themselves.
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#20Its worth noting that the RH (reported in house) version of the bill is significantly better. This requires logging only ip addresses and only for 12 months AND the response may only be compelled by a government entity. (1) A commercial provider of an electronic communication service shall retain for a period of at least one year a log of the temporarily assigned network addresses the provider assigns to a subscriber…
I agree; this isn't nearly the scale of SOPA/PIPA.
This bill just makes it a requirement that ISPs keep customer IP addresses on record for at least a year. I'm guessing that most major ISPs have already agreed to do this sort of thing for law enforcement without any law requiring it.