A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

Post by wging » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 1:34 AM UTC

philipwhiuk wrote: post #180

wging wrote: post #66

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> 4:30/mile pace is faster than all but the fastest amateur runners The article is talking about middle distance running, typically 800m-3000m, not long-distance running. 1s/400m is actually pretty huge in competition. > you'd be liable to kick each other. Front-to-back contact happens sometimes, even in professional races.

But the parent comment is talking about long distance.

Post by scott_w » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 8:07 AM UTC

haspok wrote: post #147

banDeveloper wrote: post #138

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> You deplete your carb stores after a few hours (depending on pace etc), and then YOU ARE RUNNING ON KETONES, whether you like it or not. You physically cannot eat and digest enough carbs to sustain your pace for any longer period of time. What do you mean, this is precisely why all professional runners and cyclists consume gels. Not only is it possible to not deplete your carb stores, it's actually pretty easy to k…

Pros are pros, but you are not one (are you?), you don't have the experience, the time, the regeneration, the genes, the attitude, the money. So you might as well ignore most of what they do, because you are not one of them. > Sure you won't feel a loss of energy, because you've never had that energy in the first place. I don't understand why you would remove a major fuel source entirely. That's a bold statement. Hav…

Post by rojeee » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:02 AM UTC

scott_w wrote: post #194

haspok wrote: post #111

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There are other reasons for going keto even for a half-marathon - and who knows, maybe the full distance is next. You don't have to worry about timing your meals, or "carb-loading" which is misunderstood and yet done by so many beginners just because they read about it and they disrupt / overload their digestive system, and causes more problems than has benefits (if any - guess how I know that). I cannot really expla…

You can't even explain your position to me and I ran 23km on Saturday without feeling depleted at all. I regularly bike over 100km without being depleted. I race middle distance triathlons and the only time I run out of energy is when I stop eating carbs. You're talking absolute nonsense.

Post by john___matrix » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:09 AM UTC

dhsysusbsjsi wrote: post #70

kashyapc wrote: post #65

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Thanks for this explanation. I'm a newbie runner -- been running for a year-and-a-half. I'm aiming to break the 2hr mark in my 3rd half-marathon next month. My last half-m in Oct 2022 took 2hr9min. I know, 9 minutes is a lot to shave off :-). I'll first aim to finish healthily. Your message encourages me to join a pacer. (The last 5KM of a half-m feel endless.)

Stop eating carbs about 2 months before. I did this and went from a 2:06 to 1:58 with minimal training. My body carried several kg less weight and felt like it could consume its own fat energy more efficiently and I didn’t get the 2/3 slump. I also started last, ran down the 2hr pace guy, then tried to stay 100m ahead of him. It felt primal being chased down by somebody and kept the mind sharp.

Post by lithos » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 12:23 PM UTC

js2 wrote: post #45

In an amateur context, I've paced about a half dozen races, half marathon and marathon distance. I've also served as a pacer for runners in the second half of a 100 mile race a couple times. The purpose of a pacer for amateur runners is to set a consistent pace and provide encouragement to runners who may be running their first race at that distance. Or maybe someone trying to set a new PR. Since most courses are not…