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Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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I think the idea that men can focus on skill development to date in a harder market is a valid one, but also misleading. This is because the dating environment for straight men currently is a highly unkind learning environment. (Namely the feedback one gets in the environment is hard to learn from)

My understanding is that for a man, getting a move almost right can be worse than not making the move at all, for example attempting to move in for a kiss at almost but not quite the right moment. And errors are currently harshly socially judged. Hence a lot of men, particularly sensitive men who worry about making women uncomfortable, are inexperienced and feel stuck and trapped in that inexperience.

I think this unkindness of environment is a societal issue and one that cannot be levied as a failure of young men. Ultimately it is costly for all, men and women, as both would be better of and happier if the men knew what they were doing, and knew how to appeal to women.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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The reality is that young men have always been “optional” in society. Biology looms large. Women seek to mate with the most high status males, evidenced by the fraction of men who get the majority of the “action” on dating apps and in life. Thus throughout history we’ve died in the wars and otherwise exist in the margins. An example of the desparity to me is the concept “mansplaining” woke culture disparages. Some wo…

>Women seek to mate with the most high status males, evidenced by the fraction of men who get the majority of the “action” on dating apps and in life. I don't think you can really extrapolate to all of human history from a time when birth control is widely available.

They’ve done DNA anaylsis before and it was something like 13% of men in history successfully reproduced before civilisation enforced monogamy. Like how most male pack animals don’t get to reproduce.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like all meme influencers, Andrew Tate is popular with a subset of the subset of people who spend way too much time on the internet. If you think that's 60% of men/boys, then perhaps you're part of the subset that spends too much time on the internet. I've never heard anyone even mention his name IRL.

All the kids spend too much time online, so I'm not sure casting shade at them really gets us anywhere. If that's not the case for your kids, I'd love to hear how you're getting that to work. If you're not talking to boys about Andrew Tate because it hasn't come up (because it would be too cringe, as the kids say), don't worry, YouTube (reposts) have got you covered.

> All the kids spend too much time online, so I'm not sure casting shade at them really gets us anywhere.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. If anything I was "casting shade" at you for your remark about how terrible young men are. You're the one defending someone calling them "nasty/abusive/uninteresting/unintelligent/ugly".

> If you're not talking to boys about Andrew Tate because it hasn't come up (because it would be too cringe, as the kids say), don't worry, YouTube (reposts) have got you covered.

I talk to men in their early 20s to 40s mostly, the guys who go to my BJJ gym. I can promise you not one of them gives a shit about Andrew Tate's "HoW To bE aN aLpHa MaLe" grift. Half of them have probably never even heard of him.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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That’s a hell of an assumption. My informed guess is once you scratch off the Instagram paint it’s an absolute disaster too.

Many studies disagree with you thought. Here's one article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/why-bad-looks-good/2... Single women, it turns out, are the happiest. And then single women with kids. Men have to change or we'll become obsolete. Our UX, in general, is bad.

This is the most HN comment I've seen on this thread here. Excellently done.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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Prostitution is high risk and expensive. Porn is zero risk and basically free because we all have Internet access already. Porn is not the problem but it is a serious crutch for those unwilling to address the actual problem, which is generations of teaching men and boys that intimacy isn't important. I have male friends I hug and cry with. I have deep feelings of loss for my pet pig, who challenged my world view on "…

> Prostitution is high risk and expensive Only where it is illegal. Plenty of legal countries with rules & regs regarding behavior, STD testing, protection, etc. > I have male friends I hug and cry with. I have deep feelings of loss for my pet pig, who challenged my world view on "love animals" and made me rethink how and what I eat. I have a successful marriage with a wonderful, intelligent, beautiful women because…

> why did you feel a need to include this…

That was at least somewhat on topic. The whole “rethinking how and what I eat” seemed way more out of place to me.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

#167

A recent Rasmussen poll claims that almost half of blacks are not sure that it is okay to be white. Have to wonder then what percent of women are not sure that is okay to be male, and if this has anything to do with the current "state of our unions" as discussed in the article.

Stop blaming other people, or society, for your own shortcomings.

Look in the mirror.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

#168

It's called "progress".

Well, maybe we should learn from history and start a bunch of wars to kill off a bunch of men and make it easier for the survivors? Is that what you want?

I prefer 'progress', thank you very much. You, and all your posts on this thread, sound bitter man.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

#170

I think the idea that men can focus on skill development to date in a harder market is a valid one, but also misleading. This is because the dating environment for straight men currently is a highly unkind learning environment. (Namely the feedback one gets in the environment is hard to learn from) My understanding is that for a man, getting a move almost right can be worse than not making the move at all, for exampl…

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