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Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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This is patently untrue. Cities like LA and SF should have high rises everywhere, but instead they have 1 story homes from 1955 selling for $2 million.

LA and SF seem trapped by their design. Sure they need way higher density, but that would require transit that handles density better than cars on a road. But in order to build high capacity transit they want people to prove that it would be fully utilized and that won't be true if you're servicing areas that are currently all single family homes. So high density housing can't be build because there is no transit, an…

At approximately 5x5 miles, SF is one of the smallest American cities while having among the worst housing crunch in the world.

SF doesn't need high speed metro. Cheap options like BRT, trams & separated bike/scooter lanes solve most of its variable demand. In SF, the transit vs housing conundrum is trivial. Build transit, and remove height restrictions in a 1000-ft radius in each stops location.

LA is harder to remedy. The city is so catastrophically designed, that any fix will bleed money before it ever stabilizes. At the same time, LA's housing isn't as expensive as SF. So, they could start with focusing on public transportation exclusively. (BRT + park-n-rides seem perfect for LA) and worrying about the zoning later.

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Related article. The build nothing country: https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/the-build-nothing-country "We no longer have the luxury of giving our people a shadow subsidy by freezing their neighborhoods and cities in amber. Spiraling housing costs in any city with real economic opportunity, a floundering energy transition, and the inexorable migration of manufacturing to more development-friendly countries have beco…

I don't think this is true. The actual raw amount of land on plant earth is abundant, it's just that much of it is unattractive to modern humans due to not being hooked up to internet/electricity and not near interesting things like shopping or concerts.

I did a quick search and found many articles where states are encouraging people to homestead in unoccupied land as a form of development. (I will grant that this article was last updated 2014 and probably some things have changed, but it's hard for me to believe that it went from 100% to 0% over that time.)

https://www.cnbc.com/2010/11/16/7-Towns-Where-Land-is-Free.h...

I think it's actually really easy to go out into the middle of nowhere, have no master and claim some land, but this isn't really attractive as a way to live (actually homeless people do it downtown and even then it's kind of tolerated). People from 200 years ago didn't have a problem with it though...

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Does any city have a well functioning design review process or are they all captured by incumbents to slow down development?

The Boston setup works great. The folks on the Boston Redevelopment Authority make a ton of money on the DL. Oh did you mean work well for the general public?

Do you have evidence to support that accusation, or are you just cynically slinging mud?

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is amazing how one person can have a view that developers have all the power and can never be stopped. Others have the view that NIMBY's have all the power and nothing can get developed. Yet somehow everything ends up paved over with a high rise on it eventually, like it or not.

This is patently untrue. Cities like LA and SF should have high rises everywhere, but instead they have 1 story homes from 1955 selling for $2 million.

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Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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Related article. The build nothing country: https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/the-build-nothing-country "We no longer have the luxury of giving our people a shadow subsidy by freezing their neighborhoods and cities in amber. Spiraling housing costs in any city with real economic opportunity, a floundering energy transition, and the inexorable migration of manufacturing to more development-friendly countries have beco…

The solution to “landlord demands a lifetime of labor” is to fix the shortage. Permit more construction and landlords will have to compete for tenants. We could easily build a hell of a lot more housing than we have today: https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/1594939920166141952

Hell, there are cheap vacant houses out there right now, they just aren’t in the healthy labor markets where the working class need to live.

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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> Arguing against the project, Escala’s attorneys claimed that shadows from the new buildings would result in “cancers, cardiovascular disease, metabolic disorders and mental health [sic].” In a world with an ironic sense of justice the court would accept their argument and extend it to then requiring Escala's demolition so that their neighbours would not be affected by shadows.

Don't give SF NIMBYs any ideas.

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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I'm reminded of a recent housing development that was planned in the city where I live. They wanted to build a few hundred near zero-lot-line single family homes and townhouses. It was on land that was previously zoned industrial, so it required a pretty lengthy approval process.

The neighborhood next to it fought the proposed zoning changes. Too many houses near by, increasing traffic, too close to the creek, etc. Probably more likely they were worried about property valuations changing. Ultimately they got their way, and they never got past the planning stages for that neighborhood.

However, it didn't stop development on the property from continuing. Since it was already industrial, they went ahead and started building an ugly. massive, tilt wall warehouse on the property. It didn't need many reviews and got approvals very quickly.

So now instead of some nice houses, a park, and a few small retail spots to help increase the massively supply constrained housing stock in the area we're going to have a probably busy warehouse with large trucks coming and going constantly deep in the heart of what is otherwise a largely residential area. Nice going, NIMBYs. I bet that warehouse is going to help your property values quite a bit.

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I am just curious why we are allowing foreigners to buy homes in the US when we have a housing crisis. Here in New England, Chinese/Russians came in and started buying homes in the past two decades. Not only that, we end up educating their children for free in our public schools. Why? They don’t even let our companies operate in their country. Edit: they should not be able to invest in real estate in the US if US cit…

You had me until you started complaining about educating children. Who cares where they come from? Feed 'em and learn 'em.

Public schools = public goods. That’s all goodwill built over decades in many communities. Why are we just giving that away for free to people with interests against the US? Nope.

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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I'm a big fan of the work some cities have done in zoning "urban villages", and as a homeowner who's also aware of the need for more housing, these strike a pretty reasonable compromise in my mind. Essentially, pick some areas that are in-demand, have reasonable transit amenities, and are underbuilt. Zone them to be able to build slightly more dense housing. Then as those villages grow more, expand the radius outward…

Urban villages are a nice concept and they offer a doable, gradual way to upzone American cities along existing arterials. I've been a big fan of them on paper. The problem is often the implementation. Urban village zoning can place tough restrictions on market-rate development (they usually have carve-outs for BMR or affordable housing with fewer requirements) which discourage development. Urban villages aren't immune from NIMBY pressure either, especially if they're being built in an area that was previously only zoned for commercial or light industrial uses.

[1] talks about San Jose's urban villages which are often built in formerly light industrial zones and some of the issues with getting them off the ground. It's a shame because I feel like urban villages satisfy the need for upzoning in a way that doesn't completely jar the urban fabric of an area.

[1]: https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/09/13/why-some-say-san-jose...

Re: Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affordable Housing

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This is an important check to developer greed. You have to be able to maintain quality of life with new development.

This is a bad-faith argument. I have heard it throughout council hearings on housing in my city. NIMBYism itself is a prime example of greed and I don't see how it's any different.

> This is a bad-faith argument.

You can't just declare this, you have to say why.

> I have heard it throughout council hearings on housing in my city.

The fact that you hear it all the time might mean that a lot of people actually believe it.

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