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AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Because the added 3D V-cache increases heat. That's also why the X3D variants have lower clocks than the non-X3D versions. Two CCDs with V-cache is apparently too hot.

Previously that wasn't the issue, the issue (according to AMD) was that there was a huge interchip communication bottleneck with the extra L3 on both chips. If thats fixed, then AMD is just being cheap :P

epyc has v-cache on every die on -X skus, doesn't it? it's fine

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17323/amd-releases-milan-x-cp...

> Critically, AMD has opted to equip all of their new V-cache EPYC chips with the maximum 768 MB of L3 cache, which in turn means all 8 CCDs must be present, from the top SKU (EPYC 7773X) to the bottom SKU (EPYC 7373X). Instead, AMD will be varying the number of CPU cores enabled in each CCD.

(unff 768MB of cache)

afaik AMD has said the voltage is one limit because they share a voltage rail, so, you can't go outside the operating limits of the v-cache die. But thermals are another because the cache die does limit thermal transfer out of the CCD as well. They did shave it down (to maintain package height) which helps somewhat but I think it does run at least a bit hotter due to the separation between dies. But voltage is, afaik, the primary limitation, and I've never heard of cache coherency as being the problem.

I don't think they're lying about the cache die hurting clocks, that's obviously true from 5800X vs 5800X3D and lower clocks hurts performance in some applications, so they're legitimately trying to offer the best all-around-performer they can as a general-purpose CPU. But I also think they're being very careful about how much they let Ryzen cannibalize their Epyc X3D lineup too, and doing their best to salami-slice this into multiple releases.

There's no reason they couldn't have done 5900X3D last gen, and I bet eventually we will see a dual-cache-die release too. There is (based on Epyc) pretty obviously no technical limitation here, they just don't want to sell it to you right now. You can make excuses like "oh the market just isn't there" but... I think they will do it eventually. For now they are just using it to distinguish between Ryzen and Epyc, previously it was if you wanted >8 cores, now it is 12C and 16C but only one cache die, in a gen or three they will throw in the towel and let you buy all-cache-die configs if that's what you want.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Let's be real, this just means now web developers can ship their own browser written in electron with the javascript interpreter written in nodejs, and that is literally what they will do with this.

still waiting for ie10 compiled to wasm so i can run my favorite activex in chrome

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Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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But apps like factorio are extremely dynamic, so thats either going to be flakey or its going to spend a lot of time/energy bouncing the process between cores. I wouldn't be too worried about this personally, as configuring the few really sensitive apps with ProcessLasso or Aniancy is pretty easy.

I don't think the average Factorio gamer is going to know that they should do this or how. They will just know that their new CPU which was supposed to have better gaming performance is doing very, very poorly.

You are talking about Factorio players who specifically bought an 3D-L3 CPU, I would guess awareness would pretty high, personally...

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Lots of software could run in just 128MiB, especially if it could page stuff out to ssd. CPU's usually have a cache-as-ram mode that can enable this. Does this mean that systems where you can hot swap all the ram at once will be possible?

Let's be real, this just means now web developers can ship their own browser written in electron with the javascript interpreter written in nodejs, and that is literally what they will do with this.

You joke, but I can imagine a scenario where someone ports a complex GUI app to the web using something like Blazor and accidentally ends up with a full web browser running in WASM, on top of an actual browser.

I can also foresee an entire industry popping up to do this on purpose in the name of “compatibility”. I’m sure the marketing will talk about the efficiency of being able to run “true” IE6 on top of Chrome in 2030.

It’s also just a matter of time until we see Docker images for running Windows 95 apps in the browser via WINE on top of a user-mode Linux kernel emulator.

Check back here in 7 years to see which of the above prophecies materialised.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Lots of software could run in just 128MiB, especially if it could page stuff out to ssd. CPU's usually have a cache-as-ram mode that can enable this. Does this mean that systems where you can hot swap all the ram at once will be possible?

It doesn’t feel that long ago, that computers would have hundreds of megabytes of RAM. I remember it — my back is a little sore, but I’ve still got all my hair.

Yeah, it’s crazy that this thing could run Windows 95 from cache only.

I used to see SQL Server 7 databases running on NT4 servers with 64 MB of memory! This cache is double that.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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This is the same as AMD "Eco Mode"?

I just turned on Eco Mode last night and was pleasantly surprised. In a non rigorous test on my 5600x, Eco Mode had zero change to single core performance, unchanged CPU temp. Multicore saw a 3% performance drop, but temps were ~12C cooler. Test yourself, but I am definitely going to leave it enabled.

a 5600x runs at only 65w or so and can be cooled down to 40C like all the time. I'm not sure if I would prefer to run it at 16w lower, because I bareley even reach the tdp or even tjmax.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Lots of software could run in just 128MiB, especially if it could page stuff out to ssd. CPU's usually have a cache-as-ram mode that can enable this. Does this mean that systems where you can hot swap all the ram at once will be possible?

I don't think there are many applications where you can run the whole stack (including OS) in 128 MB of RAM, but where you also need a $700 CPU.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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"AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance" https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen9-7950x3d-linux "AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Desktop CPU Review Roundup" https://videocardz.com/150677/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-desktop-cp...

the Linux test leaves me quiet confused how to pick my next linux gaming cpu. On the one hand side Gamers Nexus is making a point [0] (there are on/off performance charts later in the video) why it is super important to install the latest windows drivers + special windows gaming software to make use of the heterogeneous architecture. On the other hand side the linux tests are much better then I would expected since i…

https://youtu.be/jNMcdIkef_c?t=106

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Does this 7950X3D have an iGPU? P.S: the table in TFA lists the 7700 as having the same 105W as the 7700X. I think that's a slight mistake and the 7700 is 65W max listed TDP instead. FWIW I'm considering a 7700 for I'm not ultra happy with my 3700X (one of the reason being it has no iGPU and I could find a passive GPU with a NVidia chipset, forcing me to use proprietary drivers in Linux and it's a major PITA for if I…

If you're on a 3700X you'll need a new board and RAM for AM5 Assuming your motherboard has video outputs it'll be much cheaper to stay on AM4 and throw in a 5700G

I just fell into this hole. Started a rebuild and the only thing moving to the new computer is my 3090.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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You're wrong here. This is top-of-the line enthusiast CPU. They always have costed around 1k$, see e. g. Intel Core i9 Xtreme lineup (the chips with 'X' designation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i9_processo... ). You can have absolutely fine 8c16t CPU which will handle anything you can possibly throw at it for 230$ from Amazon ( https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5800X-16-Thread-Processor/d...…

I was actually wondering what the original Extreme Edition P4s retailed for a couple of decades ago, and it turns out to be $999. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

The big cache version of the Pentium Pro (512kB) was 1,217 USD (1996) - 2320 USD (2023) with inflation.
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