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My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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This has the feel of a Kafkaesque nightmare with a large serving of incompetence. There are some serious screw-ups going on here. Do they have QAs? What kind of tests do they actually do?

Starting with Windows 10 they just made their home users the beta testers/QA.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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My partner has a Win11 laptop that is connected to her Microsoft account. Is it possible to convert that to a local login?

Should be under account settings somewhere. Loads of walkthroughs online to consult as well. But depending on your circumstances, like if she doesn't care about being in the Microsoft ecosystem, it might be safer to create a fresh local account and delete the MS account from the laptop, just to prevent any crosstalk.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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I've had coworkers locked out of their personal Google Accounts all because they or their child logged into a school google account on their work laptops while also being logged in on their personal google account on their work laptops.

It's a pain in the tail to resolve, but it can at least be resolved without calling the school.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I’m not saying you can’t use a PC for a TV if you want. I was specifically responding to the assertion that it was both cost-competitive and better performing when neither is true. It certainly allows you to do different things but it’s unclear how many people care about those more than the extra cash.

How is it not more cost effective and better performing AND nore flexible than an Nvidia shield or similar? Im not talking about Chromecasts here.

Here’s the statement I was responding to:

> dont see the benefit of these android based TV devices or Apple TV anymore.

My point was simply that an Apple TV is significantly cheaper ($100-120 vs. the $200+ PCs people mentioned) and it has roughly a factor of two better performance. Now, it’s inarguably less flexible but most of that flexibility doesn’t help with things many people want to do, which was the original point: people buy these because “spend less, everything you actually use just works” is actually a pretty good sales pitch.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #479

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Yeah, I realize it was just a continued session, but that's exactly what I mean. For things like password changes or privilege changes, there should always be a mandatory re-auth to make sure it's not someone else at keys. This is pretty much just best practice. When's the last time you could change your password without entering the original, short of a re-verification via email? Same idea here.

>a mandatory re-auth which, if the persons password is saved in their browser, would pass through to the website, granting a re-auth.

Oh, I misunderstood what you meant as the session token still being active.

I got you now. I've been using 3rd party password managers (with a timeout for a forced reauth) long enough that I forgot when you let the browser do it it's not nearly so locked down.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Not directly related to account issues, but I have one (and only one) password saved in Microsoft Authenticator and I can't delete it since ~3 years ago, every time it just says "Cannot delete password". I hope one day some engineers at Microsoft will notice this error in their logging system and fix this bug.

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Yup, Microsoft can't even keep straight their account management, yet they are insisting on depreciating the local-only accounts. I strictly use the local-only setup. I'm sort of OK if they still leave a relatively trivial backdoor to do this, but if they ever flat require an online account, I'm out, hard. This is partially due to wanting to avoid the hassle and management of yet-another-forking-online-acct-IDGAF-abo…

The internet was not designed to deal with money, or security. The internet is designed strictly for information transfer from one place to another with extreme efficiency. At that, it still excels and is no mistake. The problem is all the people using it for money.

Very accurate and succinct!

Someone said a long time ago that "The love of money is the root of all evil".

I'm not a follower of any particular religion, but that guy sure got it right on that point! Also, the only time he was recorded being violent was when he kicked the money-changers out of the temple.

How do we kick out the money-changers from the Internet?

Back to the roots of info transfer... it seems the tagging devices+apps tell us that we have achieved critical mass of node/relay density for an underground mesh network to work, if we can get enough people to run it . . .

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet was not designed to deal with money, or security. The internet is designed strictly for information transfer from one place to another with extreme efficiency. At that, it still excels and is no mistake. The problem is all the people using it for money.

Very accurate and succinct! Someone said a long time ago that "The love of money is the root of all evil". I'm not a follower of any particular religion, but that guy sure got it right on that point! Also, the only time he was recorded being violent was when he kicked the money-changers out of the temple. How do we kick out the money-changers from the Internet? Back to the roots of info transfer... it seems the taggi…

I have no solutions, I'm not even convinced that my statement really encapsulates the problem in a real way. Humans are very difficult. I'm reminded of that speech made by Hugo Weaving's character in The Matrix, about how the original matrix had been very utopian, with everyone living happy and harmonious lives, and the subjects rejected the illusion on a deep enough level to break it. I don't think one should look to Hollywood for good philosophical thinking, but I think he was onto something there.

If I could make one law get passed, I would outlaw algorithms on social media feeds (edit: and search engine results). Let them collect the data, let them target ads. I don't think those things are inherently harmful, or at least, no moreso than the old ads and surveillance.

But the seizing and algorithmic manipulation of the feeds, with the accompanying incentive that the whole thing fails if it doesn't turn a profit, is far more toxic than the gatekeeping of the old media emperors. The great promise of the internet in the 90s was that consumers of internet media would have complete control over our feeds, and get only the things we want and demand.

We have received the exact opposite, because people with money want to put their money to work, rather than work.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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I added my daughter's school account in Teams on my phone so I could submit her homework. Later, I filled out my taxes in Excel and saved them. It had uploaded them to my school's default OneDrive shared folder. It never asked me if I wanted to use that account as my default, and never told me it had changed accounts. It took me 10 minutes of non-sensical "file is locked" messages before I could delete my private dat…

If you're on Android, Microsoft Authenticator shows accounts that are registered with the Android system. To remove one, in Android itself go to Settings / Passwords & accounts.

Thank you! That's removed my account from all Microsoft apps, including Teams, but that's probably better than the alternative.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #109

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> The problem is that Windows 11 and above require a Microsoft account It is not quite a requirement, I have my Windows 11 Pro running just fine with no Microsoft account. They do attempt really hard to make it look like it's required though. Even going as far as showing a fullscreen app after Windows update that only has options for registering or login, but luckily Alt+F4 closes that abomination.

I believe, Microsoft account is a requirement for Home editions, not Pro or above.

Pro now requires it unless you know any loopholes.
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