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Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

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Re: Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

#11
This is sad.

So long as we're going to be making plastics, it seemed that pyrolysis and/or incineration made sense to destroy the plastic waste. Then reduce the amount of plastics at the start of the pipeline.

(Obviously it's more efficient to make fuel directly from oil, but that's not the point. Narrowly from an energy perspective, the comparison to make is (a) make plastic from oil, separately make jet fuel from oil, burn the jet fuel, and send plastic to the landfill, vs (b) make plastic from oil, use it, then turn it into jet fuel and then burn that. Obviously you don't make plastic as only an inefficient intermediate step in jet fuel production.)

But if the pyrolysis process is going to release potent carcinogens up the smokestack, then that changes everything.

The article is a little bit bad, in that it doesn't clearly explain whether the fuel itself is carcinogenic, or if it's a byproduct of the pyrolysis process that is. It also doesn't explain what those chemicals are (I assume they are hydrocarbons, cousins of benzene), or why they are not burned in the process that powers the pyrolysis. Is the combustion too dirty, not high-temperature enough? Are volatile gasses leaking through some insufficiently-selective distillation process? Are products just recklessly being vented to atmosphere?

There are plenty of examples of corporations doing horrible things to make a buck, and the corporate/PR/lawyer-speak from Chevron does nothing to allay my fears. But I assume there are also chemists involved who do give a shit and are not setting out to poison people nearby. We've heard from the whistleblower. We've heard from the lawyer/PR flaks. I'd like to hear from some chemists.

Re: Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

#13
> One recent study by scientists from the Department of Energy found that the economic and environmental costs of turning old plastic into new using a process called pyrolysis were 10 to 100 times higher than those of making new plastics from fossil fuels.

I think they might have linked to the wrong paper, that one doesn't cover pyrolisis and none of the economics cost are even 2x using new fossil fuels.

Diagram: https://pubs.acs.org/cms/10.1021/acssuschemeng.2c05497/asset...

Re: Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

#14

> according to agency records obtained by ProPublica and The Guardian, the production of one of the fuels could emit air pollution that is so toxic, 1 out of 4 people exposed to it over a lifetime could get cancer > That risk is 250,000 times greater than the level usually considered acceptable by the EPA division that approves new chemicals.

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Re: Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

#15
The most ridiculous part of the EPA approach:

> "But the agency won’t turn over these records or reveal information about the waste-based fuels, even their names and chemical structures. Without those basic details, it’s nearly impossible to determine which of the thousands of consent orders on the EPA website apply to this program. In keeping this information secret, the EPA cited a legal provision that allows companies to claim as confidential any information that would give their competitors an advantage in the marketplace."

There's no explanation of this other than regulatory capture. Might want to look into how many people from the EPA Chevron has been hiring as consultants etc., or how much money Chevron has been giving to politicians who approve EPA heads, the hiring practices of EPA heads, and so on.

I'd guess much of the problem is that they only partially breakdown the plastics into the desired long-chain hydrocarbons that make up the jet fuel, so there's likely a big pile of partially-broked down plastics that they then have to dispose of, which is a likely source of carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and so on, plus dioxin which is particularly problematic as a hormone mimic and disruptor of basic cellular processes (see Agent Orange, Vietnam):

"Dioxin formation during combustion of nonchloride plastic, polystyrene and its product" (2005)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16097324/

Re: Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

#16

What's the chemical? I don't think I saw it named. How likely is the risk assessment true?

- "the EPA had blacked out sections, including the chemicals’ names"

If you follow the linked PDF, the publicly disclosed descriptor is "Distillates, hydrotreated light P-21-0158". That's for the one with the insane toxicology ("The cancer risk estimate for inhalation of stack air for P-21-0158 was 2.5E-01").

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23607053/sl-sanitized...

Re: Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

#17

Thank goodness that some of these projects coincidentally got funded via something that could be tied to environmentalism, or it would just be business as usual, and no one would care. Now there's at least some small chance that the "see, green stuff kills you too" response may cause enough fuss for the US to do what most other developed nations would do as a matter of course in terms of protecting their citizens fro…

Here's my cynical take:

Sounds like the environmentalists will soon advertise their campaigns with "Get cancer to save the climate!".

Re: Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

#18
> The Environmental Protection Agency recently gave a Chevron refinery the green light to create fuel from discarded plastics as part of a “climate-friendly” initiative to boost alternatives to petroleum. But, according to agency records obtained by ProPublica and The Guardian, the production of one of the fuels could emit air pollution that is so toxic, 1 out of 4 people exposed to it over a lifetime could get cancer.

You can bet your asses that Chevron is lobbying the hell out of Congress. And, thanks to "Citizens United", we'll never know how much.

Re: Plastic-based fuels may present an “unreasonable risk” to human health

#20

The most ridiculous part of the EPA approach: > "But the agency won’t turn over these records or reveal information about the waste-based fuels, even their names and chemical structures. Without those basic details, it’s nearly impossible to determine which of the thousands of consent orders on the EPA website apply to this program. In keeping this information secret, the EPA cited a legal provision that allows compa…

- "There's no explanation of this other than regulatory capture. Might want to look into how many people from the EPA Chevron has been hiring as consultants etc., or how much money Chevron has been giving to politicians who approve EPA heads, the hiring practices of EPA heads, and so on."

If you read down to the last paragraph, the EPA's Inspector General has an open investigation into this division of the EPA, on precisely those allegations ("whistleblowers’ allegations of corruption and industry influence").

They link to this investigative series from the Intercept,

https://theintercept.com/series/epa-exposed/ ("Whistleblowers speak out about the Environmental Protection Agency’s practice of routinely approving dangerous chemicals", 2021-)

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