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Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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just via Apple's distribution mechanism. Which is the only way to install stuff on your iPhone, short of jailbreaking it.

the appstore is by no means the only way to install things on your phone. as a developer you can install whatever you want on your phone including write applications that run in the background. apple will just refuse to publish said apps to the apple store.

I was under the impression that no apps on the iPhone could run in the background.

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I can't tell whether this is a serious list. Replaceble battery sounds serious (I mean, I don't want one, but sure). GPS gizmo? Small camera? RAM?

It was quite serious. Some people may be constrained by money, and a difference between having a GPS and camera and not having them may be a deal-saver. Power-users may want a faster phone, maybe with a different processor or more memory. Like it or not, Apple can't make a phone which satisfies everyone. With different hardware, maybe you can get a phone perfect for you - or who knows, maybe a company will make them…

You know that the iPhone has both a GPS and a camera, right? It also has some RAM.

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This is why there is no Apple developer ecosystem. Is this a known fact or your personal opinion? I only develop for the web but I always thought Apple had strong support from developers which is why it has some of the best designed software.

It's fairly well known that Apple has a very small developer base and that they treat developers poorly in a number of ways. For one, they've been known to break backwards compat. like it's nobody's business. Sure, a lot of nix people use Macs now, but ask them if they're developing software for the Mac OS. Most likely, the answer is no. They're doing nix stuff. Compare the Apple developer "ecosystem" to that of the…

Yeah I can see a difference--Linux breaks backwards compatibility way more than Apple =P.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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While I'm not surprised by this, it kinda sucks. If you are going to make mobile pages, being able to test on as many browsers as possible is a good thing.

With moves like this, Apple pretty much forces me to keep a Windows Mobile phone around as well.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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It's ham-handed typical Apple, but honestly, I'm glad. One of the main reasons I enjoy developing iPhone sites is that I don't have to support a bunch of random user agents.

You should be developing mobile sites, not iPhone sites.

Or do you think that making "MSIE only" sites too is an acceptable way of dealing with web-pages and users?

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Agreed, it's not like this is the first time Apple has denied a "competing" application. I can't wait for Android to be released on a decent handset. Then I can give my iPhone to my wife.

This isn't Podcast Listener Pro or whatever; nobody will be surprised if Apple turns down Windows Media Player or Azureus either. One expects Opera did this largely as a publicity stunt. You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =)

> You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone.

No he won't. I'm giving my iPhone to the wife too.

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the appstore is by no means the only way to install things on your phone. as a developer you can install whatever you want on your phone including write applications that run in the background. apple will just refuse to publish said apps to the apple store.

I was under the impression that no apps on the iPhone could run in the background.

It's a SDK licensing agreement restriction, not a technical one. Plenty of Installer apps run in the background.

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It was quite serious. Some people may be constrained by money, and a difference between having a GPS and camera and not having them may be a deal-saver. Power-users may want a faster phone, maybe with a different processor or more memory. Like it or not, Apple can't make a phone which satisfies everyone. With different hardware, maybe you can get a phone perfect for you - or who knows, maybe a company will make them…

You know that the iPhone has both a GPS and a camera, right? It also has some RAM.

In some industries the ubiquitous cell-phone camera is a liability. I have friends and family with security clearances who are only allowed to bring phones without cameras into work. Finding such a phone these days is actually kind of a pain, enough so that several of these folks just don't have a cell phone.

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This year maybe. But in two years time most phones will be Androids. We've been down this road before, except this time around an unencumbered OS is there from the inception of the environment.

Want to put $100 on that?

What exactly would we be betting and how are we going to judge the outcome?

new phones in the preceding month?

estimates of phones in use at time t[0] and t[1]?

iPhones are in the minority of total phones in use right now.

What geographic area do you want to restrict it to? Remember that most of the world cannot buy and operate a 2nd gen iPhone without voiding the warranty, and if you think that iPhones are going to dominate the market in asia and africa, you are being optimistic.

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You know that the iPhone has both a GPS and a camera, right? It also has some RAM.

In some industries the ubiquitous cell-phone camera is a liability. I have friends and family with security clearances who are only allowed to bring phones without cameras into work. Finding such a phone these days is actually kind of a pain, enough so that several of these folks just don't have a cell phone.

I have a security clearance and have worked in the DefCon industry for about 3 years. Every secure room area I've had has had an area for you to lock up electronic devices you might use outside of a secure area, such as cameras, flash drives, and cell phones.

Other contractors I know in the west coast just leave their cell phone in their car when they go on base. It just sounds like your friends are using the old "I have a security clearance" excuse to not have a cell phone, which, if its the case, more power to them. :)

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