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Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many advice trying a CPAP device first instead of going for a sleep study if you suspect apnea for this exact reason. The sleep tests are expensive and often not accurate.

*likely US based medical advice A sleep test is $100 ($75 USD) here.

Yes, it costs you an arm and a leg in the US if you don’t have a good insurance

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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This is quite raw and I'm actually somewhat afraid to share this. But I think sleep apnea is criminally under-discussed and underdiagnosed. It can f your life up sideways and can take years to diagnose. So sharing my story and hope I can advocate for it. If you have sleep apnea, no amount of sleep gadgets, good habits, exercise, will help you. You must fix the root cause

While I sympathize > If you have sleep apnea, no amount of sleep gadgets, good habits, will help you Is a blatant lie. A CPAP works for millions, including me.

CPAP for me was life-changing.

I had sleep apnea when I was young, skinny and sporty. Then I got old, fat and sedentary and of course it got worse. I was falling asleep while driving.

I tried a CPAP machine and could not stand it for more than 10 minutes. However my apnea got worse so that I actually did not want to fall sleep because I did not want to wake up choking and gasping for breath. Literally a nightmare.

So I forced myself to stick with the CPAP the whole night through and woke up refreshed and alert. I cannot live without it.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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Thanks for sharing! Sleep is the most important way for our bodies to rest, and I also have stuggled with sleep in the past. Luckily, I was able to effectively improve my sleep through getting some exercise. Your article provides a helpful approach for those who are having difficulty improving their sleep. When all else fails, it's important to consider seeking more professional treatment.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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I have a horrible snoring issue and I have some problems with burnout, "brain fog", and inability to stay focused. I have a snorelab score in the 50s and my wife kicked me out of our bedroom since she can't sleep. I did a take-home sleep study with Kaiser once but they said I just have mild disordered sleeping but no apnea. I'm not super fat or anything either (BMI = 23.9). It seems like I very likely have something…

if you have the money, Dr. Kasey Li is the best sleep apnea surgeon in the bay area, possibly the world. He is the protoge of dr Christian Guilleminaul who is the founder of sleep apnea medicine. He does MMA and EASE, both of which solve structural issues if you have narrow airways. He also won't do it unless he thinks it will truly make a difference. One friend went to him for a MMA but he turned him away and referred him to cheaper surgeon as he thought the procedure would only partially help in his case. You are paying a down payment on a house though if you go with him

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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Thank you for sharing! Skimmed for now, but saving this to read later. I've had a history as well of never getting good sleep so I'm curious to see what your experience was and the steps you've taken. A few things I've done that have helped a bunch: - Using BreatheRight nasal strips every night - Latex earplugs ("Mack's Pillow Soft Silicone Earplugs"). I could never sleep with foam earplugs in my ears but these are g…

> BreatheRight nasal strips

Never knew about these. I'm guessing you can't re-use the same strip each night?

I don't have sleep issues apart from a bit of snoring and blocked nose. I might buy a pack of these to try.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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This is quite raw and I'm actually somewhat afraid to share this. But I think sleep apnea is criminally under-discussed and underdiagnosed. It can f your life up sideways and can take years to diagnose. So sharing my story and hope I can advocate for it. If you have sleep apnea, no amount of sleep gadgets, good habits, exercise, will help you. You must fix the root cause

Interesting. I bet close to all young skinny people with sleep apnea must remain undiagnosed. My generalist doc basically said "if you really insist we can do a polysomnography, but I'm pretty sure you don't have it, you're young, skinny and sporty. There isn't really much that helps that you can do about it anyway". I did insist and it turned out that I do have it. The changes in life I experienced are similar to yo…

The intensity of my sleep apnea varies from night to night, and you might be similar?

Based on oxygen levels, mine also varies from subclinial to "medium" apnea. I was deemed not to have sleep apnea based on the take-home test or the in-hospital test... but I wore my oxygen-logging ring during the in-hospital test to check it was calibrated to the hospital's equipment (it was), and the specialist then diagnosed me based on my measurements of oxygen levels on other nights.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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I admit I haven't read the article but lately it's been popular to link mental illness to pretty common things. Poor sleep? The logic kinda makes sense. Not sleeping at all will 100% drive you insane, so it could make sense that sleeping only half what you should will have some effect.

But its much more likely that some people genetically and family-wisw are just more suceptible than others. Trying to find an external cause is probably futile.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I bet close to all young skinny people with sleep apnea must remain undiagnosed. My generalist doc basically said "if you really insist we can do a polysomnography, but I'm pretty sure you don't have it, you're young, skinny and sporty. There isn't really much that helps that you can do about it anyway". I did insist and it turned out that I do have it. The changes in life I experienced are similar to yo…

Many advice trying a CPAP device first instead of going for a sleep study if you suspect apnea for this exact reason. The sleep tests are expensive and often not accurate.

Isn’t a CPAP more without insurance coverage?

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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This is quite raw and I'm actually somewhat afraid to share this. But I think sleep apnea is criminally under-discussed and underdiagnosed. It can f your life up sideways and can take years to diagnose. So sharing my story and hope I can advocate for it. If you have sleep apnea, no amount of sleep gadgets, good habits, exercise, will help you. You must fix the root cause

It's wonderful that you've made progress on the puzzle you found yourself facing. But in reading your essay, the subtext that comes through more strongly than the medical dilemma is a sense of disorientation, loneliness, and anxiety. Even this comment hints at it in its opening disclaimer. For all I know, you see family every weekend and have friends over for drinks and games every night, but the story suggests that…

Thank you for the comment. There are definitely issues you touched on intertwined with this story, and I don't fully understand them and will be digging deeper with therapy. Something I put off for far too long as I was busy dealing with this

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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post #75

Thank you for sharing! Skimmed for now, but saving this to read later. I've had a history as well of never getting good sleep so I'm curious to see what your experience was and the steps you've taken. A few things I've done that have helped a bunch: - Using BreatheRight nasal strips every night - Latex earplugs ("Mack's Pillow Soft Silicone Earplugs"). I could never sleep with foam earplugs in my ears but these are g…

> BreatheRight nasal strips Never knew about these. I'm guessing you can't re-use the same strip each night? I don't have sleep issues apart from a bit of snoring and blocked nose. I might buy a pack of these to try.

Yeah they're single use but they work really well and I didn't come across any similarly effective alternatives.
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