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Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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While I sympathize > If you have sleep apnea, no amount of sleep gadgets, good habits, will help you Is a blatant lie. A CPAP works for millions, including me.

Sorry I meant sleep gadgets like cooling pads, not referring to medical devices

I recommend editing your post to clarify.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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Sleep Apnea has f'd up the last ten years of my life. Like many, it happened so gradually that I didn't notice until I was stuck in a vicious depressive loop that wrecked my health. If I hadn't had heard of sleep apnea through a podcast of all things I probably wouldn't have ever figured it out. I was apparently the worst case they've seen in a young patient at that office. It's taken two years for me to recover, and I'm still left with a lot of the damage I did to myself.

So if you're tired all the time, or you're a 'heavy snorer', or you're falling asleep during your morning routine, or wake up feeling like your drunk, get tested! They have at home test for it, it's not that bad.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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This is quite raw and I'm actually somewhat afraid to share this. But I think sleep apnea is criminally under-discussed and underdiagnosed. It can f your life up sideways and can take years to diagnose. So sharing my story and hope I can advocate for it. If you have sleep apnea, no amount of sleep gadgets, good habits, exercise, will help you. You must fix the root cause

It's wonderful that you've made progress on the puzzle you found yourself facing. But in reading your essay, the subtext that comes through more strongly than the medical dilemma is a sense of disorientation, loneliness, and anxiety. Even this comment hints at it in its opening disclaimer. For all I know, you see family every weekend and have friends over for drinks and games every night, but the story suggests that…

Other than disagreeing with your take on relationships with medical practitioners, this is an excellent, well written comment. There are support groups for the family of cancer patients specifically because health is intertwined with how people live.

Creating some kind of regular time to process this long journey, however that works best into the day to day, may help set the stage for the next act.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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I wonder if Apple Watch can detect/show signs of sleep apnea? It measures your breaths, so I theorize if you have sleep apnea, you will eventually stop breathing then wake up suddenly to breathe hard due to the lack of oxygen. So it might show as unevenly breathe rate on the watch.

But I guess monitor your breathing during sleep using WiFi signals is a better solution.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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I have a horrible snoring issue and I have some problems with burnout, "brain fog", and inability to stay focused. I have a snorelab score in the 50s and my wife kicked me out of our bedroom since she can't sleep. I did a take-home sleep study with Kaiser once but they said I just have mild disordered sleeping but no apnea. I'm not super fat or anything either (BMI = 23.9).

It seems like I very likely have something similar to what OP has but I don't know how to get diagnosed properly. It's really hard to get a hold of Kaiser's head and neck surgery department too since they only take appointments by referral and can only be reached by voice message on the phone.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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I wonder if Apple Watch can detect/show signs of sleep apnea? It measures your breaths, so I theorize if you have sleep apnea, you will eventually stop breathing then wake up suddenly to breathe hard due to the lack of oxygen. So it might show as unevenly breathe rate on the watch. But I guess monitor your breathing during sleep using WiFi signals is a better solution.

It doesn't, but only because it polls relatively infrequently for biometric data. The increase in pulse or decrease in blood oxygen saturation is not likely to be captured if it lasts only a few seconds and the watch records a datapoint every few minutes to increase battery life

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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I had some issues like this but only manifested when I was on work trips which lasted weeks to months. I can tough out several days of sleeping in a hotel but the longer the stay the more I react to whatever is common to hotel rooms and the problems breathing / and sleep apnea gradually push me around the bend. Returning home cures me after a recovery period.

I wonder, do the hotels you stay at differentiate the smoking and non-smoking rooms? Where I live does, I once accidentally booked a smoking room and I could not sleep at all. It felt like I was burning my esophagus. I suspect smokers just don't feel how inflamed their airways are anymore, otherwise I have no idea how anyone could live like that.

You do get used to it. It's not till you quit that you realize how poorly you were breathing before you did.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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This is quite raw and I'm actually somewhat afraid to share this. But I think sleep apnea is criminally under-discussed and underdiagnosed. It can f your life up sideways and can take years to diagnose. So sharing my story and hope I can advocate for it. If you have sleep apnea, no amount of sleep gadgets, good habits, exercise, will help you. You must fix the root cause

Interesting. I bet close to all young skinny people with sleep apnea must remain undiagnosed. My generalist doc basically said "if you really insist we can do a polysomnography, but I'm pretty sure you don't have it, you're young, skinny and sporty. There isn't really much that helps that you can do about it anyway". I did insist and it turned out that I do have it. The changes in life I experienced are similar to yo…

Many advice trying a CPAP device first instead of going for a sleep study if you suspect apnea for this exact reason. The sleep tests are expensive and often not accurate.

Re: Poor sleep drove me insane, and my long path to recovery

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I don't wanna wear a machine! What will I tell lady friends from the bar?

There are also silicone devices which keep your tongue out of your airway by keeping it pulled outside. Studies show they work almost as well as a machine yet are much less likely to be rejected by users as opposed to a CPAP. Tongue stabilizing devices: https://www.verywellhealth.com/tongue-stabilizing-device-for...

These work decently but can really mess up your teeth by causing you to develop an open bite.
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