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A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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Re: A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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The article uses the term pacer and rabbit but never really explained what function exactly this type of runner performed for the race organizers. They only alluded to this when mentioning other runners depending on the pacer. A little confused who the intended reader for this article is. I had to follow up with a Wikipedia search where just the usage of the term “pacemaker” or “pacesetter” made things more clear.

So you did a Wikipedia search for it, then came back to write a comment about it, whilst also not explaining it either?

It is easier to run behind someone and match their pace than it is to lead a race. It is also easier to run faster for shorter distances. A rabbit is someone that runs a fast pace for less than the full race distance so the real racers can be pulled through the early miles and save energy for their push to the finish.

Races want runners to run fast times, because that makes them prestigious. Runners want to run fast times, for obvious reasons. So races provide rabbits which lures fast runners to those races.

Re: A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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I rabbited in high school. We had an excellent state-level miler who could run all day but had zero finishing kick. My job was to set as fast a pace as I could for as long as I could to wear the opposing strong finishers down. I was usually good for a lap and a half or so. Not bad for a broad jumper...

Re: A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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The article uses the term pacer and rabbit but never really explained what function exactly this type of runner performed for the race organizers. They only alluded to this when mentioning other runners depending on the pacer. A little confused who the intended reader for this article is. I had to follow up with a Wikipedia search where just the usage of the term “pacemaker” or “pacesetter” made things more clear.

So you did a Wikipedia search for it, then came back to write a comment about it, whilst also not explaining it either?

I’m not ChatGPT, but here is the Wikipedia article that may be of interest. Wikipedia describes “Pacemakers serve the role of conveying tangible information about pacing on the track during a race”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacemaker_(running)

Re: A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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post #10

The article uses the term pacer and rabbit but never really explained what function exactly this type of runner performed for the race organizers. They only alluded to this when mentioning other runners depending on the pacer. A little confused who the intended reader for this article is. I had to follow up with a Wikipedia search where just the usage of the term “pacemaker” or “pacesetter” made things more clear.

"Pacer" is a common word used to describe many activities that are time limited. It takes the common noun "pace" and a average English speaker )or really even a non native speaker) could figure out "pacer" means "to keep pace".

For someone who does not run marathons, I’d ask why a human would be necessary? People could use smartwatches, or there could be waypoint signs. This is a domain specific thing.

Without Googling, did you know what a patternmaker is?

Re: A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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post #7

It does seem kind of cheap to rely on a pacer, I can see how purists lament it as "not real racing". It eliminates an entire dimension from the competition: managing oneself and being aware / humble enough to not push unsustainably hard at the start only to run out of juice later on. Using a pacer essentially reduces the race to an artless treadmill grind. As an observer, the paced portion of the race is stupidly bor…

That was Steve Prefontaine's opinion, too. And it got him 4th in the Olympics.

Pacer or not, you still have to run the run and that's not nothing.

Re: A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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post #7

It does seem kind of cheap to rely on a pacer, I can see how purists lament it as "not real racing". It eliminates an entire dimension from the competition: managing oneself and being aware / humble enough to not push unsustainably hard at the start only to run out of juice later on. Using a pacer essentially reduces the race to an artless treadmill grind. As an observer, the paced portion of the race is stupidly bor…

It would be interesting to have an Olympics where every race each runner runs the race alone

Re: A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Pacer" is a common word used to describe many activities that are time limited. It takes the common noun "pace" and a average English speaker )or really even a non native speaker) could figure out "pacer" means "to keep pace".

For someone who does not run marathons, I’d ask why a human would be necessary? People could use smartwatches, or there could be waypoint signs. This is a domain specific thing. Without Googling, did you know what a patternmaker is?

Showing a timer or splits is not pacing

Re: A runner who leads every pack and then vanishes

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post #7

It does seem kind of cheap to rely on a pacer, I can see how purists lament it as "not real racing". It eliminates an entire dimension from the competition: managing oneself and being aware / humble enough to not push unsustainably hard at the start only to run out of juice later on. Using a pacer essentially reduces the race to an artless treadmill grind. As an observer, the paced portion of the race is stupidly bor…

That was Steve Prefontaine's opinion, too. And it got him 4th in the Olympics. Pacer or not, you still have to run the run and that's not nothing.

It says in the article pacers are not permitted in the Olympics.
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