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Lab leak most likely origin of Covid-19 pandemic, U.S. agency now says

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The This Week In Virology podcast has been talking about the lab leak concept since the early days of the pandemic, with various experts opining on the likelihood. In [1], the expert discusses how the virus itself does not seem engineered; it’s most likely a naturally created virus.

However, this is exactly the sort of virus that they study at the BSL4 lab in Wuhan, quite legitimately - and they produce good science from this work. But because this is China, if a lab accident happened, it won’t be getting reported in the media. It’s a state secret.

The Energy Department gave a low probability to their assessment, but this is still a bombshell. Imagine the legal liability for China in international courts if the evidence is solid enough for litigation.

1. https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/tag/lab-leak-hypothesis/

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I strongly suspect that the three-letter agencies have good intel to conclusively show that this is the case, but they have decided to hold back on it for the sake of US-China relations. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-releases-repor...

I'm not sure what world you're living in but we've been shooting missiles at Chinese military objects and restricting their access to semiconductors. I have little doubt that if the CIA or FBI had information it was actually a Chinese plot they would have released it by now.

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To be fair in this instance, this is a wild story that does have all the hallmarks of a wacky conspiracy theory straight out of a Bond film. Some secret Chinese laboratory is doing some secret stuff with some super spreading disease and then whoops it gets leaked and shuts the entire world down.

Also keep in mind where the info was coming from in the US: it was being introduced by Trump. This is someone who regularly spouses countless baseless conspiracies whenever he needs some sort of ammunition to blame a group he doesn't like. There is plenty of fair reasons to not have believed this story.

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That may be a neat concept for a science fiction novel, but it seems more likely that someone at the Wuhan BSL4 was working with coronaviruses (as they do) and somehow contracted the virus themselves. They may have been working with lab animals, such as bats. The virus didn’t have to come with a sinister intention.

Looking at this another way, until today, the most common hypothesis was that the virus crossed into humans because of contact with wild animals. A lab leak probably also involved contact with wild animals. It’s just now the Energy Dept. has gotten their hands on intelligence supporting this notion in particular.

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What will make this information dangerous is if people misconstrue “lab leak” to mean “human designed”. The report specifically says it was not from a bioweapons program. I’m sure they took pains to verify that because the implications of THAT conclusion would be explosive.

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The This Week In Virology podcast has been talking about the lab leak concept since the early days of the pandemic, with various experts opining on the likelihood. In [1], the expert discusses how the virus itself does not seem engineered; it’s most likely a naturally created virus. However, this is exactly the sort of virus that they study at the BSL4 lab in Wuhan, quite legitimately - and they produce good science…

they produce good science from this work.

Other than securing more funding for more research, and trivia for virologists, what good science has come from this lab?

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How is this lab leak theory anything more than an attempt to excuse Trump from any blame for his pandemic response failure?

The Energy Department is no longer a Trump organ. I don’t see why the senior bureaucrat who oversees it - who is a Biden appointee - would be doing anything to help out Trump here.

“Jennifer M. Granholm was sworn in as the 16th Secretary of Energy on February 25, 2021.”

https://www.energy.gov/leadership

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