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Dilbert Dropped by Newspapers over Creator's Racist Rant

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Re: Dilbert Dropped by Newspapers over Creator's Racist Rant

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Post by Y_Y »

bigyikes wrote: post #11

I was trying to read this charitably, but here’s a quote from Adams’ Twitter: > 1. Treat everyone as an individual (no discrimination). > 2. Avoid any group that doesn't respect you. The irony is that the second point is literally discrimination. Wholesale avoiding a specific race, regardless of your reasoning, is racist by definition. This is no different than Kanye talking about “the Jews”. Don’t take group general…

I have no skin in this game, but a quick reading gave me the impression that he is claiming that Black Americans on average don't like White Americans, and therefore the latter should avoid the former.

I don't know if he says that in good faith, or if there's a subtext I'm missing, but it seems like there's a reasonable way to interpret this that doesn't involve Adams harbouring an unfair negative prejudice.

I don't expect anyone is going to come along and steelman his argument for us, but I do have difficulty seeing how the NYP's article and the general reaction follows from what I naively impute from Adams' quotes.

To be clear, I'm not trying to say who's right or anything, I'm saying that I think as someone disconnected from US racial politics I seem to lack some necessary context.

Re: Dilbert Dropped by Newspapers over Creator's Racist Rant

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Post by Dalewyn »

bigyikes wrote: post #11

I was trying to read this charitably, but here’s a quote from Adams’ Twitter: > 1. Treat everyone as an individual (no discrimination). > 2. Avoid any group that doesn't respect you. The irony is that the second point is literally discrimination. Wholesale avoiding a specific race, regardless of your reasoning, is racist by definition. This is no different than Kanye talking about “the Jews”. Don’t take group general…

Respect is a two-way street and you owe no respect to those who don't respect you.

If a group doesn't respect you, it's fair to ignore them. Tough shit if they are offended by the response. Plus, if you apply this to /everyone equally/ it's not discrimination.

Also as already mentioned by another commenter: group !== race

Re: Dilbert Dropped by Newspapers over Creator's Racist Rant

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Post by self_awareness »

favaq wrote: post #18
satvikpendem wrote: post #4

Is it really so difficult for people to just (to put it harshly) shut up and do their work? I don't understand why people, especially prominent people, feel to need to go on social issue tirades that jeopardize their livelihoods.

Oh, going on social issue tirades works pretty well if you are a progressive.

In fact, this can be a very lucrative business model

Re: Dilbert Dropped by Newspapers over Creator's Racist Rant

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Post by stranded22 »

Y_Y wrote: post #21
bigyikes wrote: post #11

I was trying to read this charitably, but here’s a quote from Adams’ Twitter: > 1. Treat everyone as an individual (no discrimination). > 2. Avoid any group that doesn't respect you. The irony is that the second point is literally discrimination. Wholesale avoiding a specific race, regardless of your reasoning, is racist by definition. This is no different than Kanye talking about “the Jews”. Don’t take group general…

I have no skin in this game, but a quick reading gave me the impression that he is claiming that Black Americans on average don't like White Americans, and therefore the latter should avoid the former. I don't know if he says that in good faith, or if there's a subtext I'm missing, but it seems like there's a reasonable way to interpret this that doesn't involve Adams harbouring an unfair negative prejudice. I don't…

Saying that Black Americans don’t generally like White Americans - it’s generalising based purely on skin colour. Pretty much text book prejudice.

Re: Dilbert Dropped by Newspapers over Creator's Racist Rant

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Post by figassis »

favaq wrote: post #18
satvikpendem wrote: post #4

Is it really so difficult for people to just (to put it harshly) shut up and do their work? I don't understand why people, especially prominent people, feel to need to go on social issue tirades that jeopardize their livelihoods.

Oh, going on social issue tirades works pretty well if you are a progressive.

I don't know if calling white people a hate group would go well with anyone.

Re: Dilbert Dropped by Newspapers over Creator's Racist Rant

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Post by Y_Y »

stranded22 wrote: post #24
Y_Y wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no skin in this game, but a quick reading gave me the impression that he is claiming that Black Americans on average don't like White Americans, and therefore the latter should avoid the former. I don't know if he says that in good faith, or if there's a subtext I'm missing, but it seems like there's a reasonable way to interpret this that doesn't involve Adams harbouring an unfair negative prejudice. I don't…

Saying that Black Americans don’t generally like White Americans - it’s generalising based purely on skin colour. Pretty much text book prejudice.

Wasn't that a response to the survey results discussed in the article? Or do you mean that he had this prejudice and used the survey as a post-hoc justification?

Re: Dilbert Dropped by Newspapers over Creator's Racist Rant

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Post by sander27home »

walrus01 wrote: post #3

I'm sure Adams and his supporters will find a way to cosplay as if they're being terribly oppressed by the results of a free market.

Many papers in America are already racist. This is just their projections. Our organizations specifically ignore any special treatment to blacks and do fire any employees pro that movement. Good thing we are outside of American reach.
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