Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone • Hacker News Board

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by crazygringo » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:28 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #55

tuetuopay wrote: post #15

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. And that's why I stick to iPhones for long-lasting devices, those two major versions are a joke. Apple has the crown with seven on the iPhone 6S. When will someone make Android phones other than Pixels with non-abysmal software support? Yes, I know you can install alternate ROMs on your phone…

iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

They really don't.

IIRC, there was only one prominent case of that happening (slowing down noticeably), I think it was iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 but I might be wrong about that. And I think they fixed it a bunch in 7.1, so it wasn't even for that long.

But ever since then Apple really hasn't pushed updates that slow the phone meaningfully. Instead they gatekeep new features to newer models that can support it, which makes sense.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by kitsunesoba » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:29 PM UTC

Moldoteck wrote: post #77

BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

What do you think about fairphone 4? According to web, it supports: Fairphone OS CalyxOS DivestOS /e/OS (Murena) iodéOS LeOS LineageOS postmarketOS Ubuntu Touch

Fairphone isn’t and probably won’t be available in North America, sadly.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by mynameisvlad » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:29 PM UTC

flykespice wrote: post #117

mynameisvlad wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also a massive security risk.

How often do you run into security riskd when using your phone everyday?

Considering the increase of putting your entire life into your phone, your phone’s security should honestly be among those you care about the most.

Most people will access all facets of their life on their phone, from social, to financial, to work. If anything, the risk is only going to increase as time goes on.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by pxmpxm » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:29 PM UTC

cvalka wrote: post #26

amelius wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I had to throw away my perfectly capable phone because my banking app refused to work at some point because the version of Android was too old and the phone stopped supporting newer versions of Android. Edit: not sarcastic, 100% serious.

Security updates are a must. Without them it's not a usable device

> Security updates are a must. Without them it's not a usable device

That belongs on https://twitter.com/shituserstory

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by newaccount2021 » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:29 PM UTC

BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by TheSkyHasEyes » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:30 PM UTC

aio2 wrote: post #84

BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

You have high standards for a more simple and cheap product.

> the lack of updates

This is not a high standard in the year 2023.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by 8K832d7tNmiQ » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:31 PM UTC

camhart wrote: post #45

amelius wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I had to throw away my perfectly capable phone because my banking app refused to work at some point because the version of Android was too old and the phone stopped supporting newer versions of Android. Edit: not sarcastic, 100% serious.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I have 5+ year old Android phones that have no issue with banking apps. I'm not sure where this rhetoric is coming from, but it doesn't align with my experience on Android. Capital one/wells fargo requires android 8+. Citi bank 7.1+. (I stopped looking it up at this point). 8 was released in 2017. So assuming 2 years of major OS updates, that means roughly phones from 20…

2017 and above android phones are generally considered to be mature enough on both hardware and OS version side compared to a decade-old phones released on 2015 and below.

I would not surprise if we'd gradually get longer software support on future phones as time goes on.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by khimaros » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:33 PM UTC

jokoon wrote: post #93

BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

android is open source, nobody can answer me why the pinephone doesn't use android instead android doesn't require google services to work

Glodroid is an AOSP build for PP.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by wolfskaempf » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:33 PM UTC

jokoon wrote: post #93

BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

android is open source, nobody can answer me why the pinephone doesn't use android instead android doesn't require google services to work

In fact there are versions of Android that run on the PinePhone like GloDroid, but it's really not the goal.

The goal behind efforts like the Librem 5 or PinePhone is not to create yet another Android phone, which Open Source or not will strengthen the Duopoly of Google and Apple in the Mobile Phone Operating System market. The goal is to create hardware that can jump-start the development of a true GNU/Linux Mobile Operating System.

With its real world use case, it has brought great advances to Mobile "Desktop" Environments like Plasma Mobile or Phosh by motivating developers who could finally use their creations and improvements on a real phone.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #71

nordsieck wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not everyone cares about security updates. OK. But surely banks ought to. If you care about having a banking app, then you ought to care transitively.

Do they really? All they care is about some particular version of Android (like any other app). I don't think I ever saw any banking app which would check for presence of some particular security updates (not even sure if it's possible).

Right, like the good old "we care so much about security that we blocked rooted devices, but we make no effort whatsoever to check the security patch date":)