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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by pjmlp »

tuetuopay wrote: post #66
pjmlp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

Well I'm happy to have a bit slower phone to be able to use it fully for 7 years, with all security updates and current apps (again, with their respective security updates). Did you actually daily drive one? Because I did use an iPhone 6S for its full software support span (7 years) and yes, by the end of 2022 it was definitely the fastest kid on the block. But to run messaging apps, play music, grab quick pictures a…

When doing projects on Apple ecosystem, yep.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by irowe »

eropple wrote: post #59
pjmlp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

> iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. Not really, and definitely not with more modern ones. I have an iPhone 11 from 2019. It was released with iOS 13. It is now running iOS 16.1.1. It is as snappy as the day I bought it. I'm considering a phone upgrade, but that's because of the improved camera, not performance (or even batte…

I’m now to the point where I frequently have first party apps crash on my iPhone 7, plus the screen has phantom touch issues. I really don’t want to replace it though.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Entinel »

aio2 wrote: post #84
BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

You have high standards for a more simple and cheap product.

Those are high standards? They basically said "I want an open-source phone that actually works."

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by a1371 »

This seems like a Savvy move from Nokia. At least in my country, Nokia phones are remembered for the following:

- nearly indestructible

- well priced

- back pops out

Nokia is doing the most sensible thing to reuse these as its differentiator.

I understand people taking about the OS. But Nokia has little control over the software and it has also never been its selling point for me with Symbian, and later Windows Phone.

I sure miss their wonky phones with weirdly arranged buttons and their random quirks.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by eropple »

pjmlp wrote: post #90
eropple wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. Not really, and definitely not with more modern ones. I have an iPhone 11 from 2019. It was released with iOS 13. It is now running iOS 16.1.1. It is as snappy as the day I bought it. I'm considering a phone upgrade, but that's because of the improved camera, not performance (or even batte…

I wasn't talking about the modern ones, naturally they still aren't old enough to suffer from that. As you tell yourself, the iPhone 8 isn't its former self with its original iOS version.

It's also six years old and where it's pokey tends to be apps, not the OS. The browser, mostly. Turns out we all like to write a lot of JavaScript, I guess?

Even if that weren't the case, a six-year-old iPhone 8 has out-survived the useful, secure life of, what, every Android device not made directly by Google? Hell, a 3.5-year-old iPhone 11 has out-survived the useful, secure life of the overwhelming majority of Android devices, too. And, further, given that A11->A13 was the most significant period of perf improvement and energy reductions (the A14/A15 are moderately faster but the tail certainly appears to be here), that bodes well for its continuing usefulness.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by mynameisvlad »

pjmlp wrote: post #95
mynameisvlad wrote: post #73

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So you’d prefer a phone that has no updates, functional or security, to one that is slower ? Because that’s the reality for functional updates after less than two years, and security after 3 for this phone. 7 major OS updates is over twice as long. Ok. Sure Jan. I think the majority will take that slow phone in a heartbeat.

It is no different from how feature phones and smartphones used to be. Only rich people care about iPhones, or those that buy everything on credit.

Or, you know, those that want their phones supported for longer than two years.

Minimizing a group of people does nothing but stroke your own ego. There are many reasons to buy an iPhone. There are many reasons to buy an Android. Buying one or the other says nothing about you as a person and implying otherwise is absurd and childish.

We’re not on Reddit; this is supposed to be adults having conversations not preteen fanboys blindly worshipping a mobile OS.

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Post by throwaway744678 »

amelius wrote: post #68
nordsieck wrote: post #61

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> Not everyone cares about security updates. OK. But surely banks ought to. If you care about having a banking app, then you ought to care transitively.

Banks don't care about security. See e.g. credit cards where the numbers are just printed in plain sight for everyone to copy them.

It's supposed to never leave your pocket or your hand. Besides, if someone gets your credit card number and purchases something, you can charge it back. The vendor is supporting the risk, not you.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by therealasdf »

tuetuopay wrote: post #15

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. And that's why I stick to iPhones for long-lasting devices, those two major versions are a joke. Apple has the crown with seven on the iPhone 6S. When will someone make Android phones other than Pixels with non-abysmal software support? Yes, I know you can install alternate ROMs on your phone…

Samsung offers 5 years of support.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by circuit10 »

Why does it have a notch but a thick bottom bezel? I thought the point of the notch was so that you could make the screen cover the whole display? Why can they not just move the screen down a bit to get the bezel to the top, remove the notch and put the camera at the top?

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by system2 »

Time flies and 3 years update is nothing. Remember the beginning of covid days? More than 3 years ago. So if you bought this phone those days now it was in the garbage bin. I don't want to spend time and effort to buy a phone every 2-3 years. Buy an iPhone, they replace the battery for you for $69 even after 3 years. iPhones are rock-solid and get 6-7 years of updates.
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