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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Though I'm on android 9? Five year old phone and while I'm not a power user nothing seems to care? Apple apps are much more picky of versions.

What Apple apps? I just went from an iPhone 10 (6 years old) to 14 last week and I didn’t have any change in my apps.

That's because the iPhone 10 is still being supported so you likely have the latest iOS version

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Ugly notch and no Linux... Not sure what the appeal is? I believe HMD sales tanked right after they introduced the notch (they aren't Apple to get away with it) and this phone seems like a way to clear out unwanted displays via "repairability fans".

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As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

android is open source, nobody can answer me why the pinephone doesn't use android instead

android doesn't require google services to work

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iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

So you’d prefer a phone that has no updates, functional or security, to one that is slower ? Because that’s the reality for functional updates after less than two years, and security after 3 for this phone. 7 major OS updates is over twice as long. Ok. Sure Jan. I think the majority will take that slow phone in a heartbeat.

It is no different from how feature phones and smartphones used to be.

Only rich people care about iPhones, or those that buy everything on credit.

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So you’d prefer a phone that has no updates, functional or security, to one that is slower ? Because that’s the reality for functional updates after less than two years, and security after 3 for this phone. 7 major OS updates is over twice as long. Ok. Sure Jan. I think the majority will take that slow phone in a heartbeat.

Given androids market share vs iphone... the majority are indeed taking a phone with no updates over a slower phone. As long as the apps they use work ok I'm not sure the majority cares about updates security or otherwise.

I mean, no. Their market share says nothing about people’s wants and needs on this topic, it just means that on the whole the Android package is more appealing. Which could be for many reasons, of which price is going to be the biggest.

If people could choose a longer period of updates, I don’t really expect any to refuse.

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iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

> iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. Not really, and definitely not with more modern ones. I have an iPhone 11 from 2019. It was released with iOS 13. It is now running iOS 16.1.1. It is as snappy as the day I bought it. I'm considering a phone upgrade, but that's because of the improved camera, not performance (or even batte…

> Not really, and definitely not with more modern ones. I have an iPhone 11 from 2019. It was released with iOS 13. It is now running iOS 16.1.1. It is as snappy as the day I bought it.

I mean.. that is (on average) roughly 2.5 years old. If your phone was expensive and is still fairly new, then it's not going to be affected by the stuff that pertains old, mid-tier phones, before it gets even older than those.

That's not an Apple/iPhone property but I find it fascinating, that they are able to sell it as such.

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iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

I was using an iPhone 10 with the latest iOS versions until last week and didn’t have any issues

Now try the same with an iPhone 5.

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> Not everyone cares about security updates. OK. But surely banks ought to. If you care about having a banking app, then you ought to care transitively.

Do they really? All they care is about some particular version of Android (like any other app). I don't think I ever saw any banking app which would check for presence of some particular security updates (not even sure if it's possible).

AFAIK if I use a bank app on an insecure phone, and they stole my money, the bank should give it back to me. Authentication is their job after all.

But it is not much of as a problem right now. They definitely try to push people towards more secure and up-to-date systems, but as now, you still can bank from insecure systems as well, and allow your account to be stolen.

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