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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by saiya-jin »

BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

strange comment, comparing apples and oranges, and concluding your much more expensive orange is better for you... yeah I am not switch my Samsung s22 ultra for this neither, I find it very important to state this to the whole world because my own currently-utterly-unrealistic-to-beat set of reasons

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by xnyan »

camhart wrote: post #45
amelius wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I had to throw away my perfectly capable phone because my banking app refused to work at some point because the version of Android was too old and the phone stopped supporting newer versions of Android. Edit: not sarcastic, 100% serious.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I have 5+ year old Android phones that have no issue with banking apps. I'm not sure where this rhetoric is coming from, but it doesn't align with my experience on Android. Capital one/wells fargo requires android 8+. Citi bank 7.1+. (I stopped looking it up at this point). 8 was released in 2017. So assuming 2 years of major OS updates, that means roughly phones from 20…

>I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

My local bank requires 9 or above

>Also... even if the app stops working, you can use a web browser still.

It's not uncommon at all for banks to have a website that's virtually impossible to use on mobile browsers.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by dageshi »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #73
pjmlp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

So you’d prefer a phone that has no updates, functional or security, to one that is slower ? Because that’s the reality for functional updates after less than two years, and security after 3 for this phone. 7 major OS updates is over twice as long. Ok. Sure Jan. I think the majority will take that slow phone in a heartbeat.

Given androids market share vs iphone... the majority are indeed taking a phone with no updates over a slower phone.

As long as the apps they use work ok I'm not sure the majority cares about updates security or otherwise.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by aio2 »

BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

You have high standards for a more simple and cheap product.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by throwaway472919 »

thrashh wrote: post #58
gandalfian wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though I'm on android 9? Five year old phone and while I'm not a power user nothing seems to care? Apple apps are much more picky of versions.

What Apple apps? I just went from an iPhone 10 (6 years old) to 14 last week and I didn’t have any change in my apps.

I guess what they meant is that third-party apps are much stricter on iOS (at least partly because Apple updates faster and for longer, probably). I was on Android 8 (2017) until recently without any issues, whereas iOS apps only seem to support 1-2 versions back generally. Plus the Safari rendering engine doesn't update independently so you can't fall back to the web.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by hunter2_ »

saiya-jin wrote: post #81
BirAdam wrote: post #37

As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

strange comment, comparing apples and oranges, and concluding your much more expensive orange is better for you... yeah I am not switch my Samsung s22 ultra for this neither, I find it very important to state this to the whole world because my own currently-utterly-unrealistic-to-beat set of reasons

Interesting decision about which one is the orange in this analogy :)

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Moldoteck »

duxup wrote: post #34
tuetuopay wrote: post #15

> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. And that's why I stick to iPhones for long-lasting devices, those two major versions are a joke. Apple has the crown with seven on the iPhone 6S. When will someone make Android phones other than Pixels with non-abysmal software support? Yes, I know you can install alternate ROMs on your phone…

Yeah my wife’s old iPhone 8 Plus still gets updates, still runs. Many of my android devices from that time are dead, no more updates, and/or borderline unusable due to random android slowdown performance issues. In fact running across that old phone is what convinced me to switch.

Not to dismiss, but I have a pixel 3, still snappy, android 12. It was released 1 year after iphone 8 if I'm not mistaken, but still, it's about ~5 years from today

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by mynameisvlad »

bmacho wrote: post #74
mynameisvlad wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you’d prefer a phone that has no updates, functional or security, to one that is slower ? Because that’s the reality for functional updates after less than two years, and security after 3 for this phone. 7 major OS updates is over twice as long. Ok. Sure Jan. I think the majority will take that slow phone in a heartbeat.

Why not? A phone that has no updates, functional or security still can do a lot of things very well.

It’s also a massive security risk.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by dsr_ »

cptaj wrote: post #76
throwanem wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tradeoff is "back cover that comes off in an instant, whenever you want it to" versus "back cover that comes off in an instant, even when you don't want it to."

My decades of experience with easily removable back covers tells me this is a complete non-issue. The back cover coming off accidentally has never happened to me.

It happened to me repeatedly with two different phones, but never when I had a protective case on the phone -- and I always buy one.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by pjmlp »

eropple wrote: post #59
pjmlp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

> iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. Not really, and definitely not with more modern ones. I have an iPhone 11 from 2019. It was released with iOS 13. It is now running iOS 16.1.1. It is as snappy as the day I bought it. I'm considering a phone upgrade, but that's because of the improved camera, not performance (or even batte…

I wasn't talking about the modern ones, naturally they still aren't old enough to suffer from that.

As you tell yourself, the iPhone 8 isn't its former self with its original iOS version.

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