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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Not everyone cares about security updates.

> Not everyone cares about security updates. OK. But surely banks ought to. If you care about having a banking app, then you ought to care transitively.

Do they really? All they care is about some particular version of Android (like any other app). I don't think I ever saw any banking app which would check for presence of some particular security updates (not even sure if it's possible).

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post #51

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Also Pixels usually gets less official OS iterations than iPhones. Only nice thing on Android is the aftermarket ROMs since it's AOSP. Sadly from my experience the aftermarket ROMs for newer OS iterations arent polished or miss features that the OEM roms had.

Less official?

what they mean is iPhones receive updates (OS upgrades and security updates) and are officially supported by Apple for a longer period of time than any Android phone.

The Google Pixel receives new android versions and security updates for a longer period of time than any other android phone, but that's fewer than the equivalent iPhone

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> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. And that's why I stick to iPhones for long-lasting devices, those two major versions are a joke. Apple has the crown with seven on the iPhone 6S. When will someone make Android phones other than Pixels with non-abysmal software support? Yes, I know you can install alternate ROMs on your phone…

iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

So you’d prefer a phone that has no updates, functional or security, to one that is slower? Because that’s the reality for functional updates after less than two years, and security after 3 for this phone. 7 major OS updates is over twice as long.

Ok. Sure Jan. I think the majority will take that slow phone in a heartbeat.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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post #55

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iPhones drag to a crawl after a couple of OS updates when the hardware is no longer up to the stuff of the latest iOS versions. I only change phones when they die in some form, so 300 euros every 5 years on average is more than enough, I am not buying phones with laptop prices. I have anyway access to Apple devices via project assignments in consulting projects.

So you’d prefer a phone that has no updates, functional or security, to one that is slower ? Because that’s the reality for functional updates after less than two years, and security after 3 for this phone. 7 major OS updates is over twice as long. Ok. Sure Jan. I think the majority will take that slow phone in a heartbeat.

Why not? A phone that has no updates, functional or security still can do a lot of things very well.

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Why is it so hard to add a removeable back cover to have swappable battery? Seemingly battery replacement can still be done "in 5 minutes" but this still makes pop-out/on the road battery swapping unpractical. https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nokia-g22

The tradeoff is "back cover that comes off in an instant, whenever you want it to" versus "back cover that comes off in an instant, even when you don't want it to."

I never had a problem with a Note 4.

The way you could buy cases that replaced the back cover meant for a much thinner profile phone than the typical metal case wrapped in silicone.

Replaceable batteries are glorious. I never plugged-in my phone, just flipped the battery with one from the charger when I left the house. Instant 100% battery. Travelling? Just take a few charged batteries at a fraction of the weight of a power-bank and much more convenient.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Why is it so hard to add a removeable back cover to have swappable battery? Seemingly battery replacement can still be done "in 5 minutes" but this still makes pop-out/on the road battery swapping unpractical. https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nokia-g22

The tradeoff is "back cover that comes off in an instant, whenever you want it to" versus "back cover that comes off in an instant, even when you don't want it to."

My decades of experience with easily removable back covers tells me this is a complete non-issue.

The back cover coming off accidentally has never happened to me.

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As other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, ful…

What do you think about fairphone 4? According to web, it supports: Fairphone OS CalyxOS DivestOS /e/OS (Murena) iodéOS LeOS LineageOS postmarketOS Ubuntu Touch

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Not everyone cares about security updates.

> Not everyone cares about security updates. OK. But surely banks ought to. If you care about having a banking app, then you ought to care transitively.

Banks don't even do 2FA properly. They don't care.

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post #58

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Though I'm on android 9? Five year old phone and while I'm not a power user nothing seems to care? Apple apps are much more picky of versions.

What Apple apps? I just went from an iPhone 10 (6 years old) to 14 last week and I didn’t have any change in my apps.

The difference here is that an iPhone X (damn, that came out 6 years ago?) is still supported

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Why is it so hard to add a removeable back cover to have swappable battery? Seemingly battery replacement can still be done "in 5 minutes" but this still makes pop-out/on the road battery swapping unpractical. https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nokia-g22

Only forced obsoleting by the company. No other reasons exist.

I and tens of millions other people used removable back cover phones for years before the sealed phone became the norm.

Edit: Can anyone explain why they think that this is wrong? I am genuinely interested.

I really used user-removable battery phones for close to a decade. I found no issues.

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