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My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by kiernanmcgowan »

Microsoft's auth is needlessly aggressive at all edges - I had a Windows 10 gaming PC that I didn't create a live account for. Everything works fine, until I install Halo Infinite via Steam and have to log in with a Microsoft account which then causes the OS to also login with the same account. Absolute insanity that this is even possible.

At the end of the day its something I'm more disappointed than upset about. Its scammy, gross, and reflective of a company playing catchup by force.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by nerdile »

nerdile wrote: post #380

Why didn't you just click Change Directory in the Azure portal and go back to your personal AzureAD where you can create your app registrations? What has happened here is that you have essentially two accounts: One is your consumer MSA, and the other is an account in the school's Azure AD instance that uses federated sign-in with an external account (your MSA). Except, the real mess comes from the fact that there's o…

If you want to see a real mess:

* Create a consumer MSA based on a Gmail account

* Invite that MSA into an AzureAD directory

* Try to sign in as that user to that directory.

Good luck!

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by trinsic2 »

philliphaydon wrote: post #75
pmontra wrote: post #60

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Because they think that they must use Windows no matter how bad it is.

Windows is no more bad than macOS or any distro of linux.

Microsoft's dark patterns philosophy and how that translates into real-world user experiences is the worst I have ever seen. And since they are implementing these dark patterns into the OS it has the potential to make using Windows very difficult. I understand that, with knowledge, you can get around that.. But I dont see why anyone would want to any more.

Apple is really bad too, but there not as bad in the dark patterns market at least in the OS. But they are way strict with their walled garden approach to everything so I wont support them either.

Linux can be buggy at times, but I feel much safer using this OS then I do Windows or MacOS because Microsoft and Apple don't really seem to care to much about the ramifications of their end-user hostile decisions.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by skissane »

mkup wrote: post #271
skissane wrote: post #213

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Are you talking about LTSC or something else? I have looked into buying LTSC. Apparently you need a business (I own a “shelf” company which has never done anything, but legally it counts), and a Microsoft volume license agreement. I looked into the later. Supposedly there is this trick where you order all these useless-but-cheap Identity Manager CALs to cheaply meet the minimum order requirement for a volume license.…

I am not Meph504, but I suppose they meant either Windows Enterprise G or Windows Enterprise G N editions, not Windows LTSC editions.

Is Enterprise G the same thing as “China Government Edition”?

Is there a “US Government Edition”? Is it different from the Chinese one?

How does G differ from LTSC?

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by wazoox »

Conan_Kudo wrote: post #241
wazoox wrote: post #177

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I haven't used windows for 20 years and yesterday I had a teams teleconference using Firefox on Linux. It works noticeably more poorly than most similar systems (jit.si for the win) but it works.

Teams calls are terrible for non-Windows users. :(

It actually worked decently once I used wired networking. Probably gobbles up bandwidth, typical Microsoft :D

The main problem is that randomly, Teams invite end in some "an unkown error occurred" and when this happens there's no recourse. It never happened with Zoom, Jit.si, Goto Meeting, Google Meet or whatever else I've used.

The absolutely worst of all is WebEx, fortunately it's rapidly disappearing.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by andrepd »

toss1 wrote: post #330
Macha wrote: post #294

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All this discussion makes me glad I'm sticking to local logins for the Windows devices I still have to use. Once that option is gone, I guess that's the end of Windows on my devices.

Yup, Microsoft can't even keep straight their account management, yet they are insisting on depreciating the local-only accounts. I strictly use the local-only setup. I'm sort of OK if they still leave a relatively trivial backdoor to do this, but if they ever flat require an online account, I'm out, hard. This is partially due to wanting to avoid the hassle and management of yet-another-forking-online-acct-IDGAF-abo…

> I'm sort of OK if they still leave a relatively trivial backdoor to do this, but if they ever flat require an online account, I'm out, hard

Sounds like a huge pain to deal with. Why not switch to Linux and be done with it? Genuine question.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by kjs3 »

lostlogin wrote: post #116
dustedcodes wrote: post #52

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How do organisations justify so many lost hours of a day where employees just struggle with Microsoft’s abysmal software instead of doing real work.

I’m blown away by this. I’ve come back to a full MS stack after years away and it’s grim. Machine shave to be restarted once or more times per day. My personal MacBook is restarted every month or two. I used to moan about Apple’s software quality, but maybe we are actually in Isaac Asimov’s accelerating decline to a dark age.

We have 80k Windows users we have to force to reboot every couple of weeks to make sure updates to all the software take (yeah...that's a problem but a different problem). If you're rebooting once a day, you have problems other than Microsoft.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by Karunamon »

Meph504 wrote: post #217
dustedcodes wrote: post #52

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How do organisations justify so many lost hours of a day where employees just struggle with Microsoft’s abysmal software instead of doing real work.

Have you tried the competing software in a business environment, it is pretty easy to see why MS productivity software dominates. For like $12/u/month you get full web and desktop office software, MFA, and AzureAD, which you can use as a SSO indentity provider for free, for one lisc that cost $4/m you can then make use of conditional access policies that give you massive options over how you manage an access all aspe…

I am in a position at $dayjob where I have been mandated to find savings wherever possible. Currently a Google workspace company, I absolutely loathe Microsoft's offerings but after doing my due diligence there is no way I can avoid recommending migration. The pricing is just too good even with the warts, and the extra features are things we already need.

Fuck teams, though. I will leave this company before migrating Slack into teams. Actively recommending that product is nothing short of professional negligence.

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