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My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Auth with MS accounts is a giant mess. When I was a city councillor I had a corporate O365 account from the council (used for council email and virtual meetings over teams) and simply trying to sign out of the thing or switch to another account was always fraught (I've got a personal account that's basically just to associate my windows license with and a work account used for azure access). You'd often end up in a s…

It’s not just MS, auth is a mess everywhere. Everyone wants to own your identity and we’ve ended up with an insane web of trust. The many standards around identity management makes the web more complex. Most of us have many identities and we end up with a multidimensional web of tokens and cookies. I think at some point something will have to give. This seems like a space where some more provider consolidation or col…

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Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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I'd be interested to hear how you'd get the usability to be as good as an operating system designed to be used with a remote running apps designed to be run with a remote. Having to use a mouse and keyboard is a pain point for me when I use my desktop on my TV from the couch. For the mouse I use the trackpad on a ps5 controller, so the mouse isn't so bad. Possibly you could: * Not require passwords for everyday opera…

You can configure linux to directly boot into Kodi with zero interaction very easily[1]. If you pickup a machine with an IR sensor (some Intel NUCs for example) then you can configure it to use a remote[2]. RPis have HDMI-CEC which mean you can use your TV remote[3]. With that said I just use a mini keyboard[4] as it's the easiest and moat versatile for me, definitely not the most user friendly for people who don't k…

No regular user wants to maintain this. Not everyone wants to tinker with Linux.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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I'm assuming "deletion of your data" only includes any information that might be associated with the school... hopefully not the rest of my Microsoft account! Whenever I see such a serious warning, I will almost always take a long period of consideration before proceeding. Remember that you're dealing with a company which acts like they believe you shouldn't own your computer. If a company with that attitude believes…

If they offer no information, you can think as long as you want, you still have to make a random guess.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Yup, Microsoft can't even keep straight their account management, yet they are insisting on depreciating the local-only accounts. I strictly use the local-only setup. I'm sort of OK if they still leave a relatively trivial backdoor to do this, but if they ever flat require an online account, I'm out, hard. This is partially due to wanting to avoid the hassle and management of yet-another-forking-online-acct-IDGAF-abo…

> they are insisting on depreciating the local-only accounts That's just.... Insane. This is going to be a disaster. I'm so sorry, Windows users.

You already need to open the command line and disconnect the internet at just the right moment to be able to install windows 11 without an account. You can't start without an online connection, so it's not as as easy as just airgapping the install from the get go (at least on the normal ISO provided by microsoft). I like windows but that was extremely annoying when I needed Win11 in a VM.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Sure. But every OS has its flaws. They are all good and bad in their own way.

This statement says next to nothing but may give the impression that it does to anyone who doesn't think twice on what it actually says. OS X and OS Y both have their good and bad sides but not necessarily near similar in terms of features and execution. It's not an argument not should it be used as such.

Saying an OS is bad is offering nothing when it’s factually incorrect.

It’s not an argument nor should it be used as such.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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I have the same issue with "finish setting up your device". I don't understand how this can be legal. In the early 2000 MS got fined for bundling IE as default, but I seriously think they have even more evil patterns now baked into Windows and all it's entangling into 365 etc.

I was thinking the same thing. I heard somewhere that nobody wants to prosecute Microsoft now because their systems are so tied into our our financial and political infrastructure that nobody wants to rock the boat. I also heard that Microsoft uses this as leverage against business that want to speak out against the dark patterns and deceptive practices Microsoft is involved in. "The New Goliaths: How Corporations Us…

I absolutely detest Microsoft, but I think that same argument could be made for most of big tech but especially Google, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle or even the link you provided there selling the book, Amazon.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Not to support Windows, but what are you doing that requires restarts multiple times per day? I leave my personal Windows 10 desktop running for about a month at a time so I don't have to reopen 5 different windows and arrange them across three screens for uni work every evening. It works fine. Mind you, if it was a Mac I'd not even have to reopen or arrange them after restarting the machine - they'd still be there.…

> what are you doing that requires restarts multiple times per day? Outlook, Teams, Chrome, COMRAD (radiology RIS), Spotify and InteleViewer (DICOM viewer). Without restarts Spotify stops working, the software loses track of what day it is (it assumes the day prior) and things get slow or unresponsive. Maybe it’s the software and not the OS. I run all those except COMRAD on a Mac ok though. Mac and multi display and…

Yea I dont support Microsoft either but I do have to run it on multipule machines for work and I don't need to restart unless to switch into Linux. It sounds like one of your apps has a memory leak or something. Do you check task manager for resource hogging?

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Auth with MS accounts is a giant mess. When I was a city councillor I had a corporate O365 account from the council (used for council email and virtual meetings over teams) and simply trying to sign out of the thing or switch to another account was always fraught (I've got a personal account that's basically just to associate my windows license with and a work account used for azure access). You'd often end up in a s…

Only reliable way of multiple SSO for Microsoft stuff I've found is:

- Use different browser profile for each account

- 2nd and subsequent account - use Teams in the browser - in the respective browser profile (teams.office.com).

Teams in the browser is not substantially different than the desktop app.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Why didn't you just click Change Directory in the Azure portal and go back to your personal AzureAD where you can create your app registrations?

What has happened here is that you have essentially two accounts: One is your consumer MSA, and the other is an account in the school's Azure AD instance that uses federated sign-in with an external account (your MSA). Except, the real mess comes from the fact that there's one login page for both, and sites such as the Azure portal that support both identities and can't really tell which one you expect to assume. Plus, the Azure portal lets you switch between Directories at any time.

You can:

* Sign out completely (login.microsoftonline.com/logout.srf) and sign back in. The reason the sign-in page asks for your sign-in email first is because then it uses that to decide which directory (MSA or someone's AAD) to sign you into

* Change directories - (in fact I'd recommend creating your own Directory instead of using the one that was automatically created for you from your MSA name)

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