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My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

gchadwick wrote: post #26

Auth with MS accounts is a giant mess. When I was a city councillor I had a corporate O365 account from the council (used for council email and virtual meetings over teams) and simply trying to sign out of the thing or switch to another account was always fraught (I've got a personal account that's basically just to associate my windows license with and a work account used for azure access). You'd often end up in a s…

You have only seen the tip of an iceberg. Try working as an IT-consultant. You have a half trillion different accounts. You can't work in multiple spaces while using the app. So you have to use a browser. Then, the problem is that you get logged off more or less instantly if the tab is not active.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by drstewart »

case wrote: post #306
Kwpolska wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I go even further, corporate laptop for work, personal laptop for personal stuff.

This is the way.

Not far enough. I have a dedicated internet provider subscribed to a place I rent specifically for work whose address I only use for work purposes, 3 states over. THAT is the way.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

Macha wrote: post #294
roywashere wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My son has a personal Windows 11 Lenovo laptop and he is signed in with his personal Microsoft account. The laptop went away for repairs because the touchpad no longer worked. When it returned, it turned out they replaced the main board so the bit locker keys needed to be entered again. These are typically stored in your Micsosoft account only they were nowhere to be found. Some help article on the MS website explain…

All this discussion makes me glad I'm sticking to local logins for the Windows devices I still have to use. Once that option is gone, I guess that's the end of Windows on my devices.

It makes me glad I fled to Linux years ago (after a Windows 10 forced, behind-your-back-after-you-locked-your-computer-and-walked-away-thinking-you-wouldn't-notice update restart made me lose some homework) and never looked back. ¦)

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by vorpalhex »

jackmott42 wrote: post #328
roywashere wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My son has a personal Windows 11 Lenovo laptop and he is signed in with his personal Microsoft account. The laptop went away for repairs because the touchpad no longer worked. When it returned, it turned out they replaced the main board so the bit locker keys needed to be entered again. These are typically stored in your Micsosoft account only they were nowhere to be found. Some help article on the MS website explain…

security is getting to be worse than what is protects against. its a daily bane, especially for work stuff as everything is locked down extra hard they tried to simplify it by tying everything to yubi keys, but just this week some things stopped going to the yubikey and wanted me to auth on my phone like we used to instead. ugh

Cryptolockers at least give you a support email and let you pay to recover your data...

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by hyperdimension »

paavope wrote: post #236
longlostship wrote: post #166

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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/turn-off-notific... You're welcome.

> Under Notifications, clear the checkbox next to Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows. Not a Windows user, but that wording of the setting is making me irrationally angry

That, and the opposite of 'continue' (making this permanent change) being 'remind me in three days' or Google's 'not now' comes with this nasty implication that we're all just foolish users who don't know what's best for us and that we'll eventually come around to what we really want to do.

It really, really irks me.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by trinsic2 »

Macha wrote: post #294
roywashere wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My son has a personal Windows 11 Lenovo laptop and he is signed in with his personal Microsoft account. The laptop went away for repairs because the touchpad no longer worked. When it returned, it turned out they replaced the main board so the bit locker keys needed to be entered again. These are typically stored in your Micsosoft account only they were nowhere to be found. Some help article on the MS website explain…

All this discussion makes me glad I'm sticking to local logins for the Windows devices I still have to use. Once that option is gone, I guess that's the end of Windows on my devices.

This is the main reason I switched to Linux[1]. Online accounts, that are not in your direct control, shouldn't be connected directly to device sign-ins. Changes to the account, or the details of the account can cause loss of data and the ability to sign-in to your own device.

They are pushing more and more people into the perception of renting a experience rather then owning a device. Its great money for me to help people figure all this out though.

[1]: https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/publication-transi...

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by trinsic2 »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #363
Macha wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this discussion makes me glad I'm sticking to local logins for the Windows devices I still have to use. Once that option is gone, I guess that's the end of Windows on my devices.

It makes me glad I fled to Linux years ago (after a Windows 10 forced, behind-your-back-after-you-locked-your-computer-and-walked-away-thinking-you-wouldn't-notice update restart made me lose some homework) and never looked back. ¦)

That happened to me as well[1]. Exact same reason why I switched to Linux. It took Windows 11 forced online accounts and an integrating one-drive into the OOBE experience to finally wake me up.

[1]: https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/publication-transi...

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by _fat_santa »

capybara_2020 wrote: post #24

This really goes to show what depending on online authentication from a large corp can do. Even worse, Microsoft is now trying to force online accounts onto Windows machines. Google already does it with Android. Which means for some reason if you lose access to your email, you are locked out of not only your online accounts but your local devices also. We really need to separate authentication from services and devic…

Its honestly shocking to me how fragmented Microsoft's authentication system can be and how many quirks it has. Knowing how enterprise software is built, you know under the hood their auth system is complete fragmented mess. Every login looks the same but is subtly different so you can literally log into one service if your account is setup a certain way and that would instantly screw you when it comes to logging into 5+ other services.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by sp332 »

amatecha wrote: post #55
capybara_2020 wrote: post #24

This really goes to show what depending on online authentication from a large corp can do. Even worse, Microsoft is now trying to force online accounts onto Windows machines. Google already does it with Android. Which means for some reason if you lose access to your email, you are locked out of not only your online accounts but your local devices also. We really need to separate authentication from services and devic…

Yeah, that shit is why I took a brand-new NVIDIA Shield back to the store immediately after getting it home - it literally cannot be used without signing into a Google account. I bought it thinking, "hey nice, I can use this 4K Android home theatre device without Google being involved, since it's from NVIDIA and thus hopefully free of all that crap". I even did my homework on this: no material included with the produ…

This is probably not a helpful answer for most people, but the Shield has an unlocked bootloader, and it's popular enough to have lots of custom ROMs that you could flash that don't have that problem.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Post by trinsic2 »

flakeoil wrote: post #158
oefrha wrote: post #132

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Well I still have a non-signed-in local account on my Windows 11 Pro install, but of course every time I boot up I get a full screen “finish setting up your device” before I’m allowed to sign in. The only options are “continue” and “remind me in three days”. Better yet, I once clicked on continue by accident and the computer hang for three minutes before I shut it down. Now I only reboot when the machine BSODs, which…

I have the same issue with "finish setting up your device". I don't understand how this can be legal. In the early 2000 MS got fined for bundling IE as default, but I seriously think they have even more evil patterns now baked into Windows and all it's entangling into 365 etc.

I was thinking the same thing. I heard somewhere that nobody wants to prosecute Microsoft now because their systems are so tied into our our financial and political infrastructure that nobody wants to rock the boat. I also heard that Microsoft uses this as leverage against business that want to speak out against the dark patterns and deceptive practices Microsoft is involved in.

"The New Goliaths: How Corporations Use Software to Dominate Industries, Kill Innovation, and Undermine Regulation"[1] looks like a good book on the subject that I plan on reading.

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/New-Goliaths-Corporations-Industries-...

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