Serving 250k developers with one support engineer
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Re: Serving 250k developers with one support engineer
#52Nice article - but given the title I wonder what "Community Champions" are? Sounds like free Labour?
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#53I checked out the open positions. There were more positions open than total employees. Are those real positions you are looking to fill or always open positions that rarely result in an actual job? I asked this because the interview process has this step where you ask the candidates to do a project and than go over it with someone. One of these little projects is design our api or build a github issue viewer frontend…
I usually spend around 20hr on the test task they give me. On top of this there are at least 3/4 rounds of interview (spanning from half an hour to two hours).
I tend to make sure that the job actually exists though and I'm wary of small companies. I'm particularly avoiding the ones where I would be the only developer working on my domain/stack.
Re: Serving 250k developers with one support engineer
#54Nice article - but given the title I wonder what "Community Champions" are? Sounds like free Labour?
Having the same question. I guess the “Community Chanpions” are rewarded somehow.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is such a hack response. >not necessarily nefarious It might not be nefarious, but if companies are putting out "feelers", and I'm investing ~30 hours per company, and half the companies I'm applying to are like this, then there's a huge waste of time (mine and theirs). I've started calling out this bullshit: "is there a job here, or is this a position to gauge the market?" >10 hours of interviewing is barely mo…
Playing devil's advocate if you don't want to do the take home test then they just filtered you out and actually is serving their desires on who they want to hire.
The problem is the sheer number of steps required, of which the project is just one step. For example for a recent position I looked at:
1. Initial interview with some HR person: 1 hour
2. Interview with a tech person and review some code sample (spot security issues, bugs etc): 1.5 hours
3. Take home project (supposed to take 2 hours, but you'll want to make it look good so you'll probably spend twice that): 4 hours
4. Another in-depth interview with a couple other tech people: 2 hours
5. Another interview with the CTO: 30 mins
6. References & background check.
That's not atypical. Round after round of interviews. It becomes an endurance test, where only the most dedicated will stay the distance. While the 8-10 hours might not seem much stretched out over several days, you want to add some prep, keep your calendar clear so it does eat up your spare time, especially if you are already working.
And that's just one job. What if you are interviewing at multiple companies?
Note the take-home is at the start of the process, not the end: so you can end up putting a lot of effort in before you have even cleared four or five other hurdles. Oh, and I don't even have an offer yet. It could well be the offer on the table isn't worth my time.
Now you could say "well, we only want dedicated people". Fine, but I'm dedicated in so far as I get paid to be working for you. I don't get paid to run your interview gauntlet. Maybe you want people willing to do free overtime?
And this is way more than it used to be maybe 10 years ago, and it's for small to medium sized companies, not FAANG or other big corps. Nor is it a feature of recent layoffs and resulting increase in the talent pool: this has been the case for a few years now.
I think there's a few factors at work:
- Endurance test
- Risk aversion culture in management
- Copypasta whatever Google or Apple do
Re: Serving 250k developers with one support engineer
#56I checked out the open positions. There were more positions open than total employees. Are those real positions you are looking to fill or always open positions that rarely result in an actual job? I asked this because the interview process has this step where you ask the candidates to do a project and than go over it with someone. One of these little projects is design our api or build a github issue viewer frontend…
I've been job hunting for the last six months. I usually spend around 20hr on the test task they give me. On top of this there are at least 3/4 rounds of interview (spanning from half an hour to two hours). I tend to make sure that the job actually exists though and I'm wary of small companies. I'm particularly avoiding the ones where I would be the only developer working on my domain/stack.
Re: Serving 250k developers with one support engineer
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Playing devil's advocate if you don't want to do the take home test then they just filtered you out and actually is serving their desires on who they want to hire.
A reasonably-scoped take-home project is fine in isolation. The problem is the sheer number of steps required, of which the project is just one step. For example for a recent position I looked at: 1. Initial interview with some HR person: 1 hour 2. Interview with a tech person and review some code sample (spot security issues, bugs etc): 1.5 hours 3. Take home project (supposed to take 2 hours, but you'll want to mak…
FWIW, last time I interviewed at Google, there was no take home test, so I don't know where people are copying that from but I don't think it's Google.
Re: Serving 250k developers with one support engineer
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been job hunting for the last six months. I usually spend around 20hr on the test task they give me. On top of this there are at least 3/4 rounds of interview (spanning from half an hour to two hours). I tend to make sure that the job actually exists though and I'm wary of small companies. I'm particularly avoiding the ones where I would be the only developer working on my domain/stack.
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Re: Serving 250k developers with one support engineer
#59Back in 2010, Monash University’s Bachelor of Software Engineering had a unit ENG1061 Engineering Profession mandatory for the degree (for a terrible reason: Engineers Australia accreditation of the degree, which no one that I ever talked to cared about in the slightest). The first lecture listed The 17 Branches of Engineering. Guess what wasn’t one of them. It went downhill from there.
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#60What an impressive company. A good reminder that, even in a market with umpteen competitors, success comes down to execution. Hope they keep up the good work.
Railway does look impressive. However, as someone in the market for a Heroku alternative - I’d say there really aren’t any Heroku competitors. At least nothing directly comparable. The thing that keeps me (and I’m sure other small business owners) tied to Heroku is just how much they take care of for you. I literally never ever want to think about my infrastructure beyond initial setup. Heroku, to my knowledge, is th…