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My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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I haven't used windows since 2008 and you've just made my day with this post. I have never felt so vindicated.

I haven't used windows for 20 years and yesterday I had a teams teleconference using Firefox on Linux. It works noticeably more poorly than most similar systems (jit.si for the win) but it works.

Teams calls are terrible for non-Windows users. :(

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Besides, there is a very satisfactory feeling when something doesn't work for whatever reason, you do a quick search and see that apparently you must edit some awfu…

> The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Then they do absolutely crazy weird things! I recently got a new laptop. My account is `adavis@ .com`, my user name on my old laptop using that account is `adavis…

This issue has been bugging me since Windows 7.

Only "proper" solution is to /not/ sign into your MS account when seeting up the new machine for the first time. Create a local account with the name as you want it, and then only afterwards link it with your MS account (if you have to).

Only problem is, latest Win11 installer does not allow you to create a local account anymore at all. So you need to install Win10, do the work-around-dance, and then upgrade to Win11. I only relaized this after halway through my most recent format.

Every time when I ssh into one of my other boxen, I have to remember now to go 'SSH myname@ip' else windows helpfully defaults to 'mynam@IP'

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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The lost hours are totally invisible (most companies wouldn't even allow you to report them. they don't WANT to see them) and the alternative world without lost hours with more productivity can also not be imagined by those in charge. For all it's terrible bugs and login issues, is there even alterative with similar functionality that would be as "user friendly" (as in: non-tech people would know how to use it as wel…

OSX seems fine for most people where I've worked. For the truly intractable Windows addict, maybe ReactOS? https://reactos.org/

I don't see how that is related to what I wrote?

Mac is not an alternative functionality to: Teams, Outlook, MS Office, etc? It doesn't solve the MS crappy auth system, it doesn't give (large) businesses the same functionality that MS is giving them.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Auth with MS accounts is a giant mess. When I was a city councillor I had a corporate O365 account from the council (used for council email and virtual meetings over teams) and simply trying to sign out of the thing or switch to another account was always fraught (I've got a personal account that's basically just to associate my windows license with and a work account used for azure access). You'd often end up in a s…

I have the same experience! In my case, my personal and professional Microsoft addresses are the same (same email, different accounts) which means that in many cases I end up in impossible situations when the login screen doesn’t correctly guess if I want to sign in personal or with my “work” account. I also do client work for organisations where I need to sign into their O365 and honestly the only way to manage all…

A perfect use for Firefox container tabs!

It's the only way I can keep my personal, work, and alma mater email separate and not falling into login loops.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #154

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I have the same experience! In my case, my personal and professional Microsoft addresses are the same (same email, different accounts) which means that in many cases I end up in impossible situations when the login screen doesn’t correctly guess if I want to sign in personal or with my “work” account. I also do client work for organisations where I need to sign into their O365 and honestly the only way to manage all…

Using same email address is deliberately asking for problems.

I once got enrolled to a school and they asked my email. Didn't know it was for teams access.

Now, 4 years later I still get to choose wether I want to login in their tenant or mine everytime.

Microsoft solution? Change my email on the personal account.

Not kidding.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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I added my daughter's school account in Teams on my phone so I could submit her homework.

Later, I filled out my taxes in Excel and saved them.

It had uploaded them to my school's default OneDrive shared folder. It never asked me if I wanted to use that account as my default, and never told me it had changed accounts. It took me 10 minutes of non-sensical "file is locked" messages before I could delete my private data from my school's drive.

Some apps such as Microsoft Authenticator won't even let me remove the account.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Well I still have a non-signed-in local account on my Windows 11 Pro install, but of course every time I boot up I get a full screen “finish setting up your device” before I’m allowed to sign in. The only options are “continue” and “remind me in three days”. Better yet, I once clicked on continue by accident and the computer hang for three minutes before I shut it down. Now I only reboot when the machine BSODs, which…

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/turn-off-notific... You're welcome.

Thank you! This has been driving me nuts on my Win 10 install.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #242

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> The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Then they do absolutely crazy weird things! I recently got a new laptop. My account is `adavis@ .com`, my user name on my old laptop using that account is `adavis…

This issue has been bugging me since Windows 7. Only "proper" solution is to /not/ sign into your MS account when seeting up the new machine for the first time. Create a local account with the name as you want it, and then only afterwards link it with your MS account (if you have to). Only problem is, latest Win11 installer does not allow you to create a local account anymore at all. So you need to install Win10, do…

In case that might help you:

You can create a file ".ssh/config" in your user directory, just like under linux, and inside of it put "User myname", and ssh will use that as a default and you won't have to specify it with @ everytime.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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How do organisations justify so many lost hours of a day where employees just struggle with Microsoft’s abysmal software instead of doing real work.

The lost hours are totally invisible (most companies wouldn't even allow you to report them. they don't WANT to see them) and the alternative world without lost hours with more productivity can also not be imagined by those in charge. For all it's terrible bugs and login issues, is there even alterative with similar functionality that would be as "user friendly" (as in: non-tech people would know how to use it as wel…

> The lost hours are totally invisible (most companies wouldn't even allow you to report them. they don't WANT to see them)

We recently discussed this "shadow work": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34612697

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Besides, there is a very satisfactory feeling when something doesn't work for whatever reason, you do a quick search and see that apparently you must edit some awfu…

> The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Then they do absolutely crazy weird things! I recently got a new laptop. My account is `adavis@ .com`, my user name on my old laptop using that account is `adavis…

I once tried doing the prudent thing and give them an individualized email address on a catchall subdomain, now my user name on Windows 11 is "win10". Because why ask for a username if you have an email address, right? Might get interesting when your email is administrator@ or guest@, I don't get the impression that anyone at Microsoft has even the slightest idea what actually goes on in their schizophrenic SSO multiverse.
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