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Or run apps like Teams in a web browser. Web browsers have good isolation techniques like Chrome's profiles and Firefox's containers. Teams is written using web technologies so you're getting the same experience as the app.
The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Besides, there is a very satisfactory feeling when something doesn't work for whatever reason, you do a quick search and see that apparently you must edit some awfu…
My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or run apps like Teams in a web browser. Web browsers have good isolation techniques like Chrome's profiles and Firefox's containers. Teams is written using web technologies so you're getting the same experience as the app.
The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Besides, there is a very satisfactory feeling when something doesn't work for whatever reason, you do a quick search and see that apparently you must edit some awfu…
Thankfully I only use it for some cross-platform testing and occasional gaming.
Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account
#133Take comfort that some things never change!
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How do organisations justify so many lost hours of a day where employees just struggle with Microsoft’s abysmal software instead of doing real work.
because it actually works you can try to find as many edge cases, but at the end of the day I just log into the account that's inside domain and everything: email, teams, network accesses, auth thru web apps goes thru that domain account
Because I tried to do that recently with O365 and I literally couldn't move my subscription without killing the old one and creating a new one.
Every other software service I use somehow managed to make it easy: fill in the new billing details. Done.
But not Microsoft. Billing and fulfilment details are on different pages, there's no obvious way to get from one to the other, and if you want to change country you can't.
Superb.
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And then your child has a Mojang account, and then you can't use Minecraft because the throwaway account is associated with your phone number, and it's tied into the Active Directory of ..... This sort of scenario. Or a million others.
Having an account for your child schools is kind of a necessity. Using Minecraft is not. It seems to be a nice game and children like it; it sucks that Microsoft bought it. Still not a good enough reason to use Microsoft.
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#136Something similar happened to my personal Atlassian account.
The thing about the Trello account is that I used a non-school email account for that. I never at any point gave them information about my school account. I opened the account on the day Trello was announced, when they didn't even have paid plans. I'm guessing they were able to link me somehow, and they used that information to give my account away.
Clearly Atlassian is not a company that should ever be trusted with important data. In my case, if I had any information about grades in my account, it would have been a violation of FERPA. You can't casually hand out that information to random strangers.
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#137And also this is why I don’t use Ubuntu anymore.
Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account
#138About 10 years ago I created an Azure account with my normal email and my US address. I did some stuff but never had a reason to use Azure in a situation where I’d pay for resources. Some years later I wanted to check out Azure for a small project. I go to log in and it tells me I need to add billing or something. I enter my credit card info and get to the address section. My zip code won’t validate. That’s odd. It’s saying it wants numbers and letters. Wait why does it think I’m in Canada? I’m in California. CA? Hmm. Anyway should be easy let me fix the Country. Oh it’s greyed out. YOU CAN’T CHANGE THE COUNTRY?!
Surely this must be a bug. File a support request. Nope can’t change country. Escalate and explain that I can’t add a credit card because I am not a CA resident and don’t have a Canadian payment method. They tell me they can’t change for tax reasons. But they never took my money because I can’t pay them… I go on to tell them I never even selected Canada there must be some UI bug when they first rolled out the new account format. They said theres a known issue where this can happen. I ask them to fix. They can’t because taxes. They tell me I have to create a new email if I want to use Azure. I wont do that because I have virtue.
I try two more times over the course of 6 or so years. Both times I’m escalated to someone who thinks they can fix the problem for me. I think at one point there was a technical work order put in to delete my Azure account so I could try again. But somehow it always gets thwarted.
So what happened? I’ve been able to piece together that Azure transitioned to a new account model between when I first created my account and when I tried again the first time. The old model was independent of your MS account. The new one not so much. Somehow Azure migrated my legacy account with a US address and morphed it into an account with a Canadian country set. This Canadian account is intimately linked to my normal MS live account which has a US address and payment info nonetheless. An early version of the Azure account migration UI locked in your country before verifying your payment/address. For “tax reasons” you cant change but it’s totally fine that my US live account has a Canadian Azure account and that, if I was able to do things as MS wants, I’d be paying for MS apps and services with a US card and Azure resources with a Canadian one. Because that’s better for taxes?!
So to this day I can’t use Azure because I’m not willing to change my live account login email address, my main email address, to something else just to work around MS’s bullshit. Because yes, now it’s all the same and your azure account is your live account.
That’s a known issue and we have a simple workaround: just kindly make a new email address…
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that Windows 11 and above (try very hard to) require a Microsoft account, because these orcas of computing want to remind you with every step that you don't own the device you bought. Hence it's simpler/better to just virtualize everything. Besides, there is a very satisfactory feeling when something doesn't work for whatever reason, you do a quick search and see that apparently you must edit some awfu…
I haven't used windows since 2008 and you've just made my day with this post. I have never felt so vindicated.
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Yeah, the identity side of MS products is really dysfunctional. Every time I try to use teams or azure it ends up in hours of finding out the right procedure to log in or switch an account effectively. And then you get the people asking naively "why are you getting so mad at them"...
How do organisations justify so many lost hours of a day where employees just struggle with Microsoft’s abysmal software instead of doing real work.