The Fediverse is already dead
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The Fediverse is already dead
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Re: The Fediverse is already dead
#2The article suggests it was killed by the same thing that kills all "total freedom, no moderation" chat forums. They attracted all of the pedos, trolls, and nutjobs and it killed the community, just like every single community that has tried this in the past. The concept just doesn't scale. You can't build a social platform without accounting for bad actors. It's like trying to build and airplane without accounting for wind resistance.
Re: The Fediverse is already dead
#3The article suggests it was killed by the same thing that kills all "total freedom, no moderation" chat forums. They attracted all of the pedos, trolls, and nutjobs and it killed the community, just like every single community that has tried this in the past. The concept just doesn't scale. You can't build a social platform without accounting for bad actors. It's like trying to build and airplane without accounting f…
It feels like every federated network will be judged by the worst actor in that network, whether or not they are isolated from each other. As a result it doesn't matter (for public opinion) if there are strictly moderated mastodon instances because they will be associated with the free-for-all ones by the Mastodon name alone. This is different from how the internet as a whole is interpreted, where both HN and 4chan can exist without impacting each others reputation.
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#4>Others have documented the sordid tale of Mastodon’s development better than I could, but suffice it to say that many queer people, people of color, and women have been cast aside by Rochko despite significant and often culturally defining contributions to the software and ecosystem.
This is why pandering to extremists never works.
It's time that everyone born after 1980 realize the Christ Freak of your childhoods has wrapped herself up in rainbows and moved onto a new culture to destroy.
In 202X The last refuge of the scoundrel is diversity.
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Re: The Fediverse is already dead
#6The article suggests it was killed by the same thing that kills all "total freedom, no moderation" chat forums. They attracted all of the pedos, trolls, and nutjobs and it killed the community, just like every single community that has tried this in the past. The concept just doesn't scale. You can't build a social platform without accounting for bad actors. It's like trying to build and airplane without accounting f…
It feels like every federated network will be judged by the worst actor in that network, whether or not they are isolated from each other. As a result it doesn't matter (for public opinion) if there are strictly moderated mastodon instances because they will be associated with the free-for-all ones by the Mastodon name alone. This is different from how the internet as a whole is interpreted, where both HN and 4chan c…
My thoughts exactly. Hell there are plenty of decent boards on 4chan, but everyone judges the site by the horrible ones (not that i particularly enjoy 4chan, but I know plenty of sane and reasonable people who do).
This magical perfectly moderated wonderland led by the Mr Rodgers or whoever they think should be at the top of these things doesn't exist to my knowledge. Not saying it's right what people are doing, but it strikes me as picking and choosing when these complaints ultimately boil down to "yeah turns out there's shitty people"
Re: The Fediverse is already dead
#7>Others have documented the sordid tale of Mastodon’s development better than I could, but suffice it to say that many queer people, people of color, and women have been cast aside by Rochko despite significant and often culturally defining contributions to the software and ecosystem. This is why pandering to extremists never works. It's time that everyone born after 1980 realize the Christ Freak of your childhoods h…
what's the link between your quote and "pandering to extremists" ? who is the extremist in your reasoning ?
i'm trying to follow your argument but i honestly couldn't ( i also haven't followed mastodon dev story, so maybe that's why)
Re: The Fediverse is already dead
#8>Others have documented the sordid tale of Mastodon’s development better than I could, but suffice it to say that many queer people, people of color, and women have been cast aside by Rochko despite significant and often culturally defining contributions to the software and ecosystem. This is why pandering to extremists never works. It's time that everyone born after 1980 realize the Christ Freak of your childhoods h…
what's the link between your quote and "pandering to extremists" ? who is the extremist in your reasoning ? i'm trying to follow your argument but i honestly couldn't ( i also haven't followed mastodon dev story, so maybe that's why)
An extremist is someone who can't change her mind and won't change the subject.
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#10From reading the article I think the Fediverse - whatever it eventually is - is not dead but became fulfilled, at least for the target audience it could reach. And this goal couldn't have been that everyone hosts servers/instances that are all globally interconnected - but that they are capable to do so in the first place. People just want a good protocol easy setup, good apps/UX, standards that everyone knows. The "idea" doesn't matter. It could have been just as well IRC/XMPP. TCP/IP people didn't have grand ideas about society on the network.