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You're getting the causation reversed. These people are overeating because they're obese, not the other way around.
Does lung cancer make people start smoking too?
Probably not, but also not sure how that's related?
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#102It’s very weird that out of 95 comments in this thread (at the time of writing), practically half of them are one person.
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Ha, thanks :) But I had that "willpower" for decades and didn't lose much weight. Certainly "pushing harder" didn't change anything. And then flicking one little switch made it super easy with no willpower involved. So I just don't see how the willpower is related to losing fat.
There is no little switch. Keto has been around millennia in various forms. Atkins' diet is well-known. That you took the time to test these various dietary restrictions and found no result until you landed on what is effectively a lopsided Atkins diet, isn't surprising. Do have to add - it's impressive that you went through all these documented efforts. In the name of science and all that.
1) If what you say is true, "keto" would be the little switch
2) I didn't lose the weight on keto. I did keto for 7 years and managed to gain 100lbs back while on keto. This fat loss is very recent, and while it's still a ketogenic diet, it really is some magic little switch that I've flicked - I just don't know (yet) which one :)
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> It's a failure of self control. Disagree. The root cause of the problem is that you can't apply to more willpower if you don't know how to actually fix it, and we don't. There are currently 0 known methods to lose fat sustainably. Yea, you can starve yourself for a few weeks in a thousand ways, but none of them lead to lasting fat loss. Neither does any kind of exercise. We need to find the true root cause, or this…
There aren’t any exercise (in whatever amount) that lead to fat loss? Sounds like massive cope. It’s extremely obvious that doing something like running every day (if it leads to a calorie deficit) will make you lose fat.
When you start having a sense of how many cals any amount of exercise burns, no. It's way faster not to ingest them in the first place.
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Well, I've tried it. I've lost tons of weight, but never with exercise. So it's not cope, it's just a matter of science. > It’s extremely obvious that doing something like running every day (if it leads to a calorie deficit) will make you lose fat. But what if it doesn't because your body is a self-regulating dynamic system that changes energy partitioning and intake demands based on output?
Your body can't magic up energy out of nothingness. If you reduce your caloric intake enough, you'll always lose weight.
So you're saying science is wrong? Cause I ran the experiment and it failed.
The reason is, of course, that your body can downregulate energy expenditure according to energy intake. I've observed my body downregulate to about 1,000kcal/day. No fat loss on a 1kkcal/day OMAD diet for 2 months straight. No exceptions.
If you get below the bare minimum (say 1kkcal/day for me) your body will start shutting down pretty essential systems like the immune system, you won't be able to concentrate, sleep will be messed up.
Yes, I've done all these experiments, obviously.
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Your body can't magic up energy out of nothingness. If you reduce your caloric intake enough, you'll always lose weight.
So you're saying science is wrong? Cause I ran the experiment and it failed. The reason is, of course, that your body can downregulate energy expenditure according to energy intake. I've observed my body downregulate to about 1,000kcal/day. No fat loss on a 1kkcal/day OMAD diet for 2 months straight. No exceptions. If you get below the bare minimum (say 1kkcal/day for me) your body will start shutting down pretty ess…
> So you're saying science is wrong? Cause I ran the experiment and it failed.
So by "science", you mean your n=1 "experiment" and not conservation of energy?
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Studies don't really support that. They show that rapid weight loss is more effective, but slightly worse for body composition. And slower weight loss is of course the opposite. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702468/
+1 for the rapid fat loss. It's just that we don't even really know how to do one or the other reliably :)
Haha that's true.
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You don't think it requires any willpower to restrict yourself and change how you eat? That might have been your experience but millions of other people claim otherwise. Either a million people are wrong, or you're an anomaly. I think the latter is more likely.
I'm saying that if you rely on willpower, you will fail. Of course you should change how you eat if how you ate caused you health problems. But I'm advocating for making a conscious change that will then enable you to eat without having to use willpower. That's why "just eat less" is terrible advice and works for practically nobody. It's like finances. "Just save more" is terrible advice. Getting a degree or finding…
Ahh basically try to make meta decisions that limit the willpower needed. Like don't buy a bag of chips in the store which requires a little bit of willpower once vs having to have the same willpower success everyday. Yeah 100% agreement.
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You don't think it requires any willpower to restrict yourself and change how you eat? That might have been your experience but millions of other people claim otherwise. Either a million people are wrong, or you're an anomaly. I think the latter is more likely.
I'm saying that if you rely on willpower, you will fail. Of course you should change how you eat if how you ate caused you health problems. But I'm advocating for making a conscious change that will then enable you to eat without having to use willpower. That's why "just eat less" is terrible advice and works for practically nobody. It's like finances. "Just save more" is terrible advice. Getting a degree or finding…
> That's why "just eat less" is terrible advice and works for practically nobody.
Saying "willpower doesn't work" is just as bad.
I actually agree with what you are trying to say, but you're arguing it very poorly.
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So you're saying science is wrong? Cause I ran the experiment and it failed. The reason is, of course, that your body can downregulate energy expenditure according to energy intake. I've observed my body downregulate to about 1,000kcal/day. No fat loss on a 1kkcal/day OMAD diet for 2 months straight. No exceptions. If you get below the bare minimum (say 1kkcal/day for me) your body will start shutting down pretty ess…
> So you're saying science is wrong? Cause I ran the experiment and it failed. So by "science", you mean your n=1 "experiment" and not conservation of energy?
Yes, of course. Only takes 1 experiment to disprove a hypothesis, remember?
Conservation of energy is a whole other story and I don't see how it's related to fat loss.