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Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by rootusrootus »

tekla wrote: post #64
exfatloss wrote: post #57

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> Not buying ice cream, cookies, chips, added sugar foods, and beer is necessary. Do not eat out, and do not let unhealthy foods into the house. And do not shop while hungry. I've done all that and more for 10 years and still gained 100lbs. Exercise didn't help, just made it worse. Yes, I've gained 20-30lbs (not muscle, I wish!) in a few months by exercising more. I've failed to lose fat doing 10 months of 4x per wee…

I lost 150 pounds in 1.5 years doing literally nothing different but eating less, and kept it off for the next 15 (present) You own failings are due to you lying to yourself about how much you eat. Humans are not able to break the laws of thermodynamics. If you consume less than you burn, you will lose weight no matter what.

> I lost 150 pounds

Ah, that explains it. You had a serious moral failing and you corrected it.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by Semaphor »

uptownfunk wrote: post #32

For those struggling, controlling your diet is the single most effective thing you can do to make progress on obesity. Much easier to say no to a 300 cal donut than to run 30 minutes. Cutting out the daily donut for two weeks is about a pound of fat. Maybe we need a “just say no” to junk food campaign like we had in the 90s. Lean meat, tofu, tempeh, seitan, veggies, low calorie sauces, limited fruits, protein smoothi…

That's what I always felt like why keto helped me. Instead of just eating, I was now looking into everything. Almost 10 years ago, I went from 115kg to 86, and I had no issues keeping the weight.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by exfatloss »

taeric wrote: post #88
WillPostForFood wrote: post #62

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Walking for 30 minutes will go a long way to promote general health, but it's not a lot of calories burned.

This is an area where calories is scary misleading. The 30 minutes walking is indeed low in the direct impact. For some reason, it punches well above expectations, though. Probably something about base metabolism and such, but whatever it is, you will lose more weight from walking than you'd expect. Similarly, people probably walk way way less than you would expect. It is kind of scary to see how few steps I can get…

Yea, I suspect it has a pretty low effect in terms of calories, but it helps immediately bring your blood sugar back under control within That's maybe the magic of "walkable neighborhoods." You just walk over to the store/the cafe/the restaurant real quick, and then you walk back. It was only maybe a few hundreds steps, but that's enough to put away a ton of the glucose you just dumped into your bloodstream.

It is shocking how little walking is necessary to have a massive impact on glucose. 500 steps or so is easily enough for me.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by exfatloss »

sundvor wrote: post #84
exfatloss wrote: post #19

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This. The U (or typically J as I've heard it described) shape comes mostly from the fact that very many very unhealthy people lose a ton of weight and end up with a super low BMI.

Sprinkled with a coating of "body positivity" perhaps? I use quotes, because I personally only believe in body positivity for matters that are beyond control - eg disfigurements related to genetics or trauma. No-one should shame anyone - or feel shame - for things they have no say on. Matters within scope of control should be addressed, however. At the very least not lied about and promoted as healthy, more important…

Yea. I think a lot of it is cope/helplessness. Clearly "we" as a society don't know how to stay lean or get lean, and it's not fun constantly being reminded of something that you feel you have no control over. Or being told that it's unhealthy.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by tjohns »

crazygringo wrote: post #75
uptownfunk wrote: post #32

For those struggling, controlling your diet is the single most effective thing you can do to make progress on obesity. Much easier to say no to a 300 cal donut than to run 30 minutes. Cutting out the daily donut for two weeks is about a pound of fat. Maybe we need a “just say no” to junk food campaign like we had in the 90s. Lean meat, tofu, tempeh, seitan, veggies, low calorie sauces, limited fruits, protein smoothi…

> Cutting out the daily donut for two weeks is about a pound of fat. For many people, no it's not. Becuse their metabolism just decreases by the exact same amount they cut calories. They cut out the daily donut, and they find themselves fidgeting less and wearing a sweater because they're suddenly a little chilly a lot of the day. And the scale doesn't budge. For many people, losing weight is a whole lot more complex…

Metabolism does slow down, but there is a lower limit. The exact numbers and rate will change, but the fact is that sufficient caloric restriction will cause weight loss.

That said, as someone who struggles with weight loss, it's still hard. There are both physioloical and psychological issues that make it challenging.

As an aside, keto is the only thing thats worked reliably for me so far - largely because of the caloric restriction it inherently forces. I stopped following it because people kept telling me they were concerned it was unhealthy, but I'm sure the weight is worse than anything else.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by josephcsible »

exfatloss wrote: post #90
trpv wrote: post #79

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There aren’t any exercise (in whatever amount) that lead to fat loss? Sounds like massive cope. It’s extremely obvious that doing something like running every day (if it leads to a calorie deficit) will make you lose fat.

Well, I've tried it. I've lost tons of weight, but never with exercise. So it's not cope, it's just a matter of science. > It’s extremely obvious that doing something like running every day (if it leads to a calorie deficit) will make you lose fat. But what if it doesn't because your body is a self-regulating dynamic system that changes energy partitioning and intake demands based on output?

Your body can't magic up energy out of nothingness. If you reduce your caloric intake enough, you'll always lose weight.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by 988747 »

trpv wrote: post #79
exfatloss wrote: post #31

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> It's a failure of self control. Disagree. The root cause of the problem is that you can't apply to more willpower if you don't know how to actually fix it, and we don't. There are currently 0 known methods to lose fat sustainably. Yea, you can starve yourself for a few weeks in a thousand ways, but none of them lead to lasting fat loss. Neither does any kind of exercise. We need to find the true root cause, or this…

There aren’t any exercise (in whatever amount) that lead to fat loss? Sounds like massive cope. It’s extremely obvious that doing something like running every day (if it leads to a calorie deficit) will make you lose fat.

The problem is: human body is very energy efficient, and processed food is very calorie dense. Burning enough calories to make up for all the junk food is almost impossible, except maybe for professional athletes that spend 5+ hours a day training or competing. You can't outrun a doughnut, basically.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by josephcsible »

exfatloss wrote: post #77
paulpauper wrote: post #52

The health effects of obesity are well advertised yet people continue to eat a lot. You see it on social media: people dining out with friends at restaurants with large plates of food, huge Superbowl parties, etc. evidently these people are not concerned. There are three ways of looking at this: these people are obvious to the risk, do not care, or the risks of obesity or being overweight are overblown. If the NYTs c…

You're getting the causation reversed. These people are overeating because they're obese, not the other way around.

Does lung cancer make people start smoking too?

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by fishtacos »

exfatloss wrote: post #73
WillPostForFood wrote: post #58

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Give yourself some credit, you show a lot of evidence of willpower to try and execute things. If you are able to do 30 days of just about anything, you are better than most. ------- To emphasize: the real point is the meta-framework of experiments. Formulate a hypothesis, design a 30-day experiment, test it. I’ve probably done dozens of these over the years. Here are some examples from the last few years: 30 days of…

Ha, thanks :) But I had that "willpower" for decades and didn't lose much weight. Certainly "pushing harder" didn't change anything. And then flicking one little switch made it super easy with no willpower involved. So I just don't see how the willpower is related to losing fat.

There is no little switch. Keto has been around millennia in various forms. Atkins' diet is well-known. That you took the time to test these various dietary restrictions and found no result until you landed on what is effectively a lopsided Atkins diet, isn't surprising.

Do have to add - it's impressive that you went through all these documented efforts. In the name of science and all that.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by trpv »

exfatloss wrote: post #90
trpv wrote: post #79

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There aren’t any exercise (in whatever amount) that lead to fat loss? Sounds like massive cope. It’s extremely obvious that doing something like running every day (if it leads to a calorie deficit) will make you lose fat.

Well, I've tried it. I've lost tons of weight, but never with exercise. So it's not cope, it's just a matter of science. > It’s extremely obvious that doing something like running every day (if it leads to a calorie deficit) will make you lose fat. But what if it doesn't because your body is a self-regulating dynamic system that changes energy partitioning and intake demands based on output?

If you spend more energy than your body takes in, there is no way you don’t lose weight, no matter what your body does with it.

If someone isn’t losing weight on a caloric deficit, they’re not tracking their food intake and exercise properly.

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