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Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by exfatloss »

tekla wrote: post #26
rootusrootus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do know a lot of people who believe being overweight is unfairly demonized Because it is. As you yourself allude to later... > I don't think we should view fatness as a moral failing It clearly is not. I suspect the only people who believe that are the folks 'born on third base' as it were. > some people need a bit of a push to kick bad habits like overeating Some people? The vast majority of people are overweigh…

> Because it is. As you yourself allude to later... No its not. Its nowhere near demonized as it should be. > It clearly is not. I suspect the only people who believe that are the folks 'born on third base' as it were. It's a failure of self control. > Some people? The vast majority of people are overweight. Anyone who isn't fit & trim has no business commenting on anyone else's bad habits and moral failings. None. G…

> It's a failure of self control.

Disagree. The root cause of the problem is that you can't apply to more willpower if you don't know how to actually fix it, and we don't.

There are currently 0 known methods to lose fat sustainably. Yea, you can starve yourself for a few weeks in a thousand ways, but none of them lead to lasting fat loss. Neither does any kind of exercise.

We need to find the true root cause, or this will not change.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by uptownfunk »

For those struggling, controlling your diet is the single most effective thing you can do to make progress on obesity.

Much easier to say no to a 300 cal donut than to run 30 minutes.

Cutting out the daily donut for two weeks is about a pound of fat.

Maybe we need a “just say no” to junk food campaign like we had in the 90s.

Lean meat, tofu, tempeh, seitan, veggies, low calorie sauces, limited fruits, protein smoothies (watching the sugar/fat)

Do a few pushups, a light run, increase slowly.

Make it sustainable, not a flash crash.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by HPsquared »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #7
gnicholas wrote: post #3

> Masters pointed out that a lifetime carrying excess weight can lead to illnesses that, paradoxically, lead to rapid weight loss. If BMI data is captured during this time, it can skew study results. “I would argue that we have been artificially inflating the mortality risk in the low-BMI category by including those who had been high BMI and had just lost weight recently,” he said. It's like the teetotaling bias — a…

Reminds of the parachute study that was shared here recently: https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2019/02/breakthrough-resea...

I love the meta irony of this article, taking the (somewhat satirical) journal article and playing along as an example of overblown science journalism with the headline "Breakthrough research reveals parachutes don’t prevent death when jumping from a plane".

It's beautiful....

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by [deleted] »

exfatloss wrote: post #24
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's unique about food is that unlike smoking, drugs or booze, a human will always have to go back to eating, it's essential for day-to-day life unlike Jameson, Marlboro and meth. If you have a healthy relationship with food then you're fine, otherwise every day you're faced with willpower checks that you might struggle to consistently pass.

I don't think willpower has anything to do with it.

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Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by exfatloss »

Someone1234 wrote: post #28

This seems useful. However, some people, both inside and outside medicine, believe that negative consequences' education can be a solution to the overweight/obesity issue, even though after 40 years we've seen near no positive correlation. We've seen some positive outcomes from interventions (e.g. mental health treatments, actionable plans, etc.) but the funding/resources for those continue to be scarce. So the trend…

> I actually think our "personal moral failing" thinking is a large impediment to actionable solutions for society

100%. We have no clue how to fix it, so we "do something" to feel in control as a society.

Re: Excess weight, obesity more deadly than previously believed

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Post by exfatloss »

inglor_cz wrote: post #16
WalterBright wrote: post #13

> Excess weight or obesity boosts risk of death by anywhere from 22% to 91% A strange statistic, as the actual risk of death is 100% for all of us.

Could this be meant as "risk of death at certain age"?

Obviously that's what they mean. It's just funny :)
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