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You'll find very few people understand strong encryption and why it's important to have. They thing is the Brits had a right and gave it up for no reason at all, and will give up more, without a fight.
> gave it up for no reason at all * UK: Gun deaths per 100,000 people - 0.20 * USA: Gun deaths per 100,000 people - 12.21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...
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Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption
#162And this is from country where certain celebrities abused children for decades in plain site without any encryption. Where children of entire towns were mass-abused also in plain site and under the nose of police. Where members of Royal family are known kiddy fiddlers without anything serious happening to them.
Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption
#163> The government said its proposal was not "a ban on end-to-end encryption". > Critics say companies could be required by Ofcom to scan messages on encrypted apps for child sexual abuse material or terrorism content under the new law. So, what's going on here? Is it going to be E2EE between user and user and then also a copy E2EE between user and the government? What a time to be alive. Or is the law going to require…
It's a classic misleading but true statement from the government. They can mandate apps scan messages client side before sending E2E.
Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption
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I have a question: what does it mean for the _users_ of messaging applications? If the OSB passes am I still within my rights to PGP encrypt my messages before sending them?
That may depend on whether operating systems (including app stores and package managers) are also regulated, e.g. via the EU Cyber-Resilience Act, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34760173
Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption
#165To be clear, this is a really serious situation . The current Online Safety Bill wording from https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/49376/documents/282... ( https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137 ) is as follows: clause 124(3) declares that OFCOM (the telco industry regulator) can impose "proactive technology" to comply with or remediate illegal content, child safety or fraudulent advertising(!): (3) A proactive t…
I've written to my MP on a number of things I'm passionate about, and he has written back on every occasion. The problem is that he's disagreed with me on all of these points, so I've stopped bothering. He's Conor Burns, for the record.
Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption
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A gun is self defence incarnate. The right to effective self defence is a natural right and requires no license. Americans use guns defensively hundreds of thousands times a year. Encryption can very much be used to facilitate murder. Your data is not as important as your life.
> The right to effective self defence is a natural right I don't see how that's correct, defending oneself with something natural sounds OK though.
Same situation. You are home. Should you be forced to engage the criminal with your bare hands knowing that if you lose the fight your kids will be murdered?
Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption
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I'd like to think that the UK is small enough of a market for Apple to not give a single flying fuck about the govt forcing them to compromise E2E crypto.
Apple willingly handed over all iCloud data on Chinese citizens upon request. They don't care about privacy at all. They won't abandon the U.K. They'll comply with every single legal directive, as they have pledged to do on multiple occasions.
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What alternatives are there to signal? Reasonable, for a lay person.
Depends on your use case. Signal has the largest user base. * Matrix (you don't have to selfhost) is ok. Consider not using matrix.org (it's "decentralized" for a reason) * Quicksy is nice but has no userbase at all. * Threema, but look at https://breakingthe3ma.app/ first and https://threema.ch/en/blog/posts/news-alleged-weaknesses-sta... and https://soatok.blog/2021/11/05/threema-three-strikes-youre-o... * Wire htt…
If that's changed (or if someone wants to point out that I'm wrong about that, which is always possible), I'd appreciate the update.
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Telegram I think is considered safe? But TBF signal is end to end encrypted which means at least the content if your chats are safe. This is in my opinion safe enough, but YMMV I guess
Telegram is, I believe, generally worse than Signal for privacy. Both have FOSS clients and offer E2E chats (good), although Telegram doesn't make them the default. Both require the use of phone numbers for identification and store some of your metadata in their central servers (bad). Both dabbled with the idea of privacy-preserving monetization via cryptocurrencies, and both failed spectacularly (funny). Telegram is…