I think we’re going to see another cycle in tech, much like the one where they realized that people kept saying illegal things in a documented fashion and this kept getting them into trouble leading to short retention policies. Except this time it will probably involve mandatory court-ordered retention which will further push people towards dropping “let’s discuss this offline” comments and trying to hide their conversations that way, which will probably also get regulated at some point. Company lawyers are always the “nanana I’m not touching you!” type where they just try to come up with some new cute way to skirt laws and it doesn’t actually work, but I guess they can keep doing illegal things for a few years until judges catch up when them.
Justice Department says Google destroyed evidence related to antitrust lawsuit
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Re: Justice Department says Google destroyed evidence related to antitrust lawsuit
#12https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18552824/512/1/united-s... > The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure required Google to suspend its auto-delete practices in mid-2019, when the company reasonably anticipated this litigation. Google did not. Instead, as described above, Google abdicated its burden to individual custodians to preserve potentially relevant chats. Few, if any, document custodians did so. That is, few cu…
> Google did not. Instead, as described above, Google abdicated its burden to individual custodians to preserve potentially relevant chats. Google didn't do it, it was those other individuals who defied the court order. Uh huh.
If true even a one or two day prison sentence for 5 or 6 Googlers would make sure this never happened again.
One assumes that if anyone had asked legal they would have been told they must switch off auto-delete. Lawyers aren't stupid they value their licence far more than their current job. I am highly doubtful there would be any written advice that said anything other than, if in doubt save.
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#13But, but, but .... don't be evil.
But did you see the Year in Search video, it was so inspiring!
Re: Justice Department says Google destroyed evidence related to antitrust lawsuit
#14https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18552824/512/1/united-s... > The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure required Google to suspend its auto-delete practices in mid-2019, when the company reasonably anticipated this litigation. Google did not. Instead, as described above, Google abdicated its burden to individual custodians to preserve potentially relevant chats. Few, if any, document custodians did so. That is, few cu…
> That is, few custodians, if any, manually changed, on a chat-by-chat basis, the history default from off to on. they cannot reasonably expect every day employees with no stakes or info into the confidential dealings would care about this. Al Alongside Google wouldn't care about them not caring.
It doesn't matter. "Every day employees" are not the ones who needed to do this.
Re: Justice Department says Google destroyed evidence related to antitrust lawsuit
#15But, but, but .... don't be evil.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the only evil to a capitalist is loss of capital. The "don't be evil" motto still applies. Just not the way that you're accustomed to reading it.
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#17And they also teach employees how to Communicate with Care: always CC a lawyer and ask a question.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/google-routinely...
The issue here is not so much that Google is playing these games but how this draws energy away from OTHER games-- i.e. shipping and keeping alive new products and offering real customer service for existing ones.
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#18It was a cron job your honour
Re: Justice Department says Google destroyed evidence related to antitrust lawsuit
#19But, but, but .... don't be evil.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the only evil to a capitalist is loss of capital. The "don't be evil" motto still applies. Just not the way that you're accustomed to reading it.
I'm surprised you're getting downvoted given the amount of snark in other comments. Or is the directness the part we're not supposed to be saying out loud?
Re: Justice Department says Google destroyed evidence related to antitrust lawsuit
#20And they also teach employees how to Communicate with Care: always CC a lawyer and ask a question. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/google-routinely... The issue here is not so much that Google is playing these games but how this draws energy away from OTHER games-- i.e. shipping and keeping alive new products and offering real customer service for existing ones.
Wow, that's so completely fucked.