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U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds

reuters.com

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Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds

#11

Doesn’t it also wear down engines more quickly?

Ethanol is hard on all the soft bits in an engine. Rubber seals, diaphrams and so on. This is most dramatically seen in small engines that still use carburetors vs fuel injection.

Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds

#12

We can't build out tried and tested nuclear reactors but we can and will continue to do this. I am so done with the "green" movement.

Any movement will get partially coopted by entrenched business interests

Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds

#15
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Intuitively this seems wrong. The explanation in the article doesn't seem convincing. Any form of synthetic fuel that doesn't take more carbon out of the Earth should be better, no?

More energy in the form of diesel and fossil fuel derived fertilizer went into corn ethanol than you get out in usable fuel

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#16
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So that means we're going to start phasing it out?

No, it's an agricultural subsidy that is important to states that appear early in presidential primaries so its pretty well locked in for now.

Iowa is losing that status this coming cycle, so things may begin to shift.

Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds

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I think this has been well established for years. I remember seeing some studies circa 2008 showing that more energy in the form of diesel and fossil fuel derived fertilizer went into corn ethanol than you get out in usable fuel. It has always been an agricultural subsidy.

The ethanol is required as an anti-knock additive.

The past alternative was tetraethyllead, which had catastrophic environmental impact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Antiknock_agent

Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds

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I think this has been well established for years. I remember seeing some studies circa 2008 showing that more energy in the form of diesel and fossil fuel derived fertilizer went into corn ethanol than you get out in usable fuel. It has always been an agricultural subsidy.

The ethanol is required as an anti-knock additive. The past alternative was tetraethyllead, which had catastrophic environmental impact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Antiknock_agent

Not true. We went decades without lead or ethanol. You can still get ethanol-free gas if you look hard, and modern engines run quite happily on it.
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