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PayPal Fees Are Insane

#1
So I have been doing personal transfers with cryptocurrency recently for large sums over 20K USD and more each time the fees are around 10 USD. The worse fee that I have had to pay was 100USD but that was during the NFT craze and it still was less then what paypal charges

I've just recently for the first time in ages used Paypal for invoicing and was charged about 5%.

This is insane. I was charged over 90 USD to invoice 3000 USD? Isn't their process automated or are they still doing accounting by hand. I could pay an accountant to do the invoice for less.

Why are their fees so high (aside from demand/supply) surely this gives room for a startup to come in and take the a fixed transactional basis rate?

Does anyone have any alternatives to Paypal that doesn't charge on a percentage basis?

TLDR: Been spoilt using crypto for transactions and the fees are significantly less then Paypal.

How is paypal still charging this rate?

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#4
You're getting hit with basically the same %% fees credit card companies charge

PayPal's very clear on this (as is Stripe, etc)

The only "feeless" transfer service I know is Zelle ... but there's also no recourse if you transfer money to the wrong target, the product doesn't arrive, etc

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#8
The risk a payment processor (credit card, PayPal, etc) takes on when handling your transaction is proportional to the size of the transaction. Basically, if you draw out the complete state transition diagram, there are some terminating states where PayPal is left holding the bag. So to cover that risk you have to charge a percentage - of course, the percentage gets bumped up (perhaps dramatically so) to make a profit, but you’ll never escape percentage charges with payment processors.

How do banks, crypto, etc. operate without charging percentages? I don’t know if it’s a completely sensible distinction to make but I think of them as processing transfers rather than processing payments. A payment is money in exchange for something, there’s customer rights involved, if the something isn’t provided the money can be clawed back (e.g. chargebacks). A transfer is just a raw “moving money” operation, there’s fewer customer rights involved, if you transfer to the wrong account you just lose the money. Basically, draw out the state transition diagram for a raw transfer and there’s fewer end states where the institution ends up on the hook - few enough that it’s safe to offer flat or no fees.

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#9

There aren't many alternatives. Particularly for international transfers.

Wise.

Wise varies rapidly depending on your input and receipt country. They charge around 6% in many places.

Better to send USDC and convert to the local currency once the USDC is at the destination.

Re: PayPal Fees Are Insane

#10
Well you answered your own quesiton: crypto.

And you'll say: for reason X and Y crypto doesn't apply in your case...

Yes, these reason X and Y are where Paypal fees come from.

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