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Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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As a Brit, I'd say not having guns freely available is one of the fights we won.

A lot of people will say the same when you lose right to encryption, and both will be wrong.

How many children accidentally kill themselves by playing around with their dad's encryption?

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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I don't think breaking encryption is a good idea, but I will say that until recently law enforcement could tap phones, rip open envelopes, and get a court order to break into your house and search it. There was never the level of privacy against law enforcement that encryption offers.

That’s rubbish. Two people could go somewhere they wouldn’t be heard and have a private conversation. Encryption provides no more challenge to investigation than that option that has existed forever…

> Two people could go somewhere they wouldn’t be heard and have a private conversation

This is still the case. That's not a good example of privacy being eroded.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Honestly, this government has some balls. Signal won't be the only one leaving the UK - it's becoming a really poor place to live with high taxation, stalling economy, low consumer rights, environmental protections being stripped away and erosion of civil liberties and rights to privacy. Only when there's enough brain drain might they backtrack but politically we have a party in power that is susceptible to infightin…

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Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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I don't think breaking encryption is a good idea, but I will say that until recently law enforcement could tap phones, rip open envelopes, and get a court order to break into your house and search it. There was never the level of privacy against law enforcement that encryption offers.

> rip open envelopes, and get a court order to break into your house and search it One limiting factor was that this wasn't scalable - so a lot of people would be comfortable with it because there is little potential for widespread abuse - there just aren't enough resources to search & monitor everyone's mail and houses at all times. There are no such limitations online, so better protections such as encryption are r…

I agree, but that still isn't a net loss in privacy. We can still communicate the way we could, except now we also would like an unbreakable way of communicating online.

I understand of course that scale is an issue online, but that doesn't affect the idea that encryption gives us basically unbreakable communication over a distance, and removing it is not eroding our last vestiges of privacy.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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I’m sorry, but if that’s your idea of freedom, you can fucking keep it. Our police, though not saints, don’t shoot unarmed people. At least in Britain we are free from being shot in school.

Americans kill more people by non-gun means than say Australians total (per year per 100k). Whatever their problem is it's not guns.

Guns are a problem.

Yes, America has an incredibly violent "macho" culture for a so-called first world country, in general and not just as it pertains to firearms. It's probable that the high rate of gun ownership is a symptom of this rather than a cause. But given that this is the case, proliferating the means for people to easily murder each other in such a society is obviously going to exacerbate things.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Easy to frame a headline against it. "New bill to allow Jeremy Corbyn to read your secret messages and Tories WONT FIGHT IT"

The poor man’s not even in labour anymore, let him rest!

Nitpick: he is a Labour member but not a member of the Parliamentary Labour Party, so he sits in the Commons as an independent.

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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> rip open envelopes, and get a court order to break into your house and search it One limiting factor was that this wasn't scalable - so a lot of people would be comfortable with it because there is little potential for widespread abuse - there just aren't enough resources to search & monitor everyone's mail and houses at all times. There are no such limitations online, so better protections such as encryption are r…

I agree, but that still isn't a net loss in privacy. We can still communicate the way we could, except now we also would like an unbreakable way of communicating online. I understand of course that scale is an issue online, but that doesn't affect the idea that encryption gives us basically unbreakable communication over a distance, and removing it is not eroding our last vestiges of privacy.

The fact that most communication has moved online means that there's significantly less physical mail traffic than back in the day, so maybe physical mail is not secure either if total capacity is now below what the government can monitor?

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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> The government, and prominent child protection charities have long argued that encryption hinders efforts to combat online child abuse - which they say is a growing problem. So take using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. What they should be doing, is rather then increase the risk of for the majority who use encryption for valid reasons (privacy, not nefarious), is invest in services to allow individuals to gain help,…

"Think of the children" is one of the 4 horsemen of the infocalypse. It was never about stopping CP. It's about justifying laws that take away privacy, no matter how flimsily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...

Re: Signal would 'walk' from UK if Online Safety Bill undermined encryption

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Honestly, this government has some balls. Signal won't be the only one leaving the UK - it's becoming a really poor place to live with high taxation, stalling economy, low consumer rights, environmental protections being stripped away and erosion of civil liberties and rights to privacy. Only when there's enough brain drain might they backtrack but politically we have a party in power that is susceptible to infightin…

With many reputable universities and large companies, brain drain isn't a realistic outcome.
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