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Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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Re: Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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Post by genrilz »

Connor_Creegan wrote: post #69

This is neat and all, but the problem is very much downstream of the children-out-of-wedlock problem, which is downstream of so-called "sexual liberation" (a misuse of both the term "sexual" and the term "liberation"), which is downstream of an inconsistent sexual education, which is downstream of an inconsistent ethics of sex, which is downstream of the Fall (save for a few unmentioned steps).

I don't see what you are talking about here? The article is discussing passing laws to prevent CPS from charging people with child abuse for not helicopter parenting their children. As other people have mentioned, children aren't in much danger and so this increases their independence. I assume by children-out-of-wedlock problem you mean that there are more single parents now? (I have not checked if this is true) I don't understand how more parents being single is related to the CPS/busybody neighbors/police overreaching more though.

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Post by notch898a »

angmarsbane wrote: post #194

Could it also be that in general, Americans are having fewer children so there are that many more out of touch adults out there? How many of the people reporting solo kids have children of their own?

This has got to be a big component of it. There was a thread I watched on reddit that showed a kid jumping on the trays on an airplane, it did look bad but it was like a 15 second video. Literally anyone's kid might do this if god forbid you doze off for 5 minutes on the airplane where it is more or less impossible for the kid to escape.

There were thousands of comments almost all stating how awful the parents are for not maintaining constant concentration every single second for their kids entire lives such that they weren't able to stop a kid from god forbid jumping up and down for a few seconds while mom fell asleep. It made it clear to me especially the common 20 something feels a deep sense of power to control other's children while simultaneously having no practical understanding of the situation.

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Post by tayo42 »

uulu wrote: post #306
andrepd wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, a reasonable risk is tolerable. But, for instance, car-centric infrastructure has *intensely* exacerbated those risks: space is completely surrendered to cars, sidewalks are non-existent, crosswalks go across 8 lanes of 60+mph traffic. All of this, plus terrible public transport, makes it impossible to travel anyway except by car. This leads to lack of independence for children, and sedentarism.

> crosswalks go across 8 lanes of 60+mph traffic Do such crosswalks really exist? Seriously. AFAIK, 60+mph speed is allowed usually (if not exclusively) on Controlled-access highways where pedestrians are not allowed at all. I highly doubt such crosswalks exist at all.

I grew up with a 6 lane highway with cross walks. I'm sure people hit 60+ even though the limit is 55.theres lights to cross at though

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

cmurf wrote: post #323
s1artibartfast wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think there is a real issue on what people perceive as society's role and what parent's role is. Not only that, but you a society has become obsessed with risk mitigation over the last several decades. The problem is that people are poorly equipped to estimate risk with very low occurrences against low or unclear cost. You see it in all facets of society with a platitude of better safe than sorry. It shows up in i…

Meanwhile actual trauma, by way of active shooter drills that are not announced in advance, run rampant and unchecked. https://twitter.com/donnaprovencher/status/16281278397477724... Obsession with risk mitigation is too diplomatic for what's going on here.

> active shooter drills

What the fuck

Re: Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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Post by throw10920 »

geomark wrote: post #279
danjoredd wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its been a genuine problem. I have heard people actually say that if a kid is playing outside by themselves, then the parent should be charged with child neglect because the kid could get hurt. Any time a kid gets hurt on YouTube the comments are filled with people blaming the parent for not being outside with them. Thing is, playing outside by yourself gives you a strong sense of independence. The kid might get hurt…

It's even in the YouTube algorithm. I've had a couple of videos taken down due to "potential child endangerment". They were videos of me and my kid doing things that are, realistically, safer than riding a bicycle. It's pathetic how fragile kids are being made these days.

The YouTube rules are completely insane. Whoever makes them has totally lost their mind.

For instance, YouTube recently implemented a policy such that they now demonitize videos that contain profanity in the first 15 seconds - AND THIS APPLIES RETROACTIVELY TO VIDEOS RELEASED BEFORE THE POLICY WAS CHANGED.

Between that, the downvote count being removed, random demonetizations, mysterious channel shadowbans, the DMCA travesty, YouTube Rewind, and the "misinformation" rules, YouTube is a complete trash fire.

Nobody sane believes that the YouTube rules are reasonable.

Re: Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

grecy wrote: post #319
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #209

How is the situation in Canada, compared to the US?

I live in a small town in Canada, it's extremely common to see 5 to 10 year olds riding toboggans downhill to school every day. The ones who live downhill from school walk up in the morning carrying their tobaggans, and then ride them home at the end of the day. Also at our local ski hill, once kids are old enough to ski, it's perfectly normal for them to ski "alone" - they just ask any random adult to help them onto…

Lovely!

What about big cities? (Vancouver, Toronto)

I "recently" moved here and had 2 children and haven't figured out the norm yet (children are still too young)

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Post by tchvil »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #26

The US seems to be the only country that has this problem. Children here (Norway) walk to school on their own at the age of five or six, some of them take buses. "Ashley Smith, a foster dad, testified about being investigated for neglect because one afternoon his daughter, 8, was doing her homework on the front lawn. A passerby reported an “unsupervised” child (not knowing Ashley was actually inside). The upshot: “We…

In Belgium, we had Dutroux a serial rapist and child kidnapper that traumatised the country ~30 years ago. As a kid I remember living like you describe in Norway. Not anymore. Parents are still to this day worried letting their kids go outside.

Fast forward to spring 2020. The country is locked down. The weather is surprisingly excellent. It took me a lot of effort to leave my 8y old girl go play with her friend to the small wood nearby. Initially I even asked her to go with the dog. I could see the disapprovals of other parents I was talking to about this. But little by little other kids joined.

They had a blast. No school for months. Living in the sunny woods all day, just coming back to eat and sleep.

She's 10 now and as you can imagine a very independent girl.

Re: Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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Post by notch898a »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #344
cmurf wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile actual trauma, by way of active shooter drills that are not announced in advance, run rampant and unchecked. https://twitter.com/donnaprovencher/status/16281278397477724... Obsession with risk mitigation is too diplomatic for what's going on here.

> active shooter drills What the fuck

It gets better.... they do the drill but then don't even practice the most important and highest priority of the 3 option which is to RUN.

It turns out, running is too inconvenient for the teachers to deal with, because it's a lot of work to round up kids that have run away (and probably not the safest thing to begin with anyway for just a drill). So instead they drill for them to hide, which should be done only if you can't run away. The thing is, watching both the Uvalde and Christchurch massacre videos, it will become crystal clear to you that hiding is the literal worst of the three options as you become a sitting duck.

So they have the drill, then drill into the kids to be sitting ducks because it is more convenient for the administrator than dealing with kids that are running. The advice I have for my kid is to not give a damn what the teacher says, to grab the nearest long durable object and smash out the windows and run away.

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Post by thrashh »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #26

The US seems to be the only country that has this problem. Children here (Norway) walk to school on their own at the age of five or six, some of them take buses. "Ashley Smith, a foster dad, testified about being investigated for neglect because one afternoon his daughter, 8, was doing her homework on the front lawn. A passerby reported an “unsupervised” child (not knowing Ashley was actually inside). The upshot: “We…

I think it depends on the area

I see little kids mobbing around everywhere here

Unfortunately there are some unreasonable people out there who must be reading too much negative news

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Post by strix_varius »

jehb wrote: post #276
ummonk wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing problematic about having a phrase for areas with high risk of crime that negatively impacts the quality of life of local residents and visitors. (And that includes neighbors illegally burning garbage in their yard)

I'm objecting to the parent comment where this originated, where the author juxtaposed the safety of a child growing up in a "suburban or rural" setting with living "near a highway though, or a high crime area." Crime is not an urban phenomenon, and when we describe it as one, we're flaming stereotypes. I don't think it was intentional and my point was not to denigrate the parent comment, but to encourage us to avoid…

The data clearly supports the parent comment:

https://www.city-journal.org/violent-crime-in-cities-on-the-...

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