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Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by serf »

bedast wrote: post #91
counttheforks wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you defending the price gouging of the american healthcare system? Do you really only care about yourself?

I care that many people I know are losing glycemic control because they're going on a waiting list for their medication while Kim K and Elon Musk and TikTok promote easy mode cosmetic weight loss.

if someone is 'losing glycemic control' because they can't get a specific new en-vogue med, then their doctor is doing a poor job.

there is a very big problem with blaming the suffering who find relief with this drug -- regardless of what their ailment is -- rather than blaming the systems and processes that lead to a supposed shortage that urged a price adjustment.

forgive me for diving into conspiracy for a second here..

do you really think for a second that the pharmaceutical groups responsible for this class of drug do not have the facilities to ramp up production?

They absolutely do -- the problem here is that since it's a gold-mine there is even more cash capture to occur with an added scarcity element, hence the price adjustment.

The price adjustment wasn't to champion the diabetics over the obese, it was to make more MONEY.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by HyperSane »

wonderwonder wrote: post #58
bedast wrote: post #36

Mounjaro is not an obesity drug. It's a type 2 diabetes drug. Do not call it an obesity drug. The headline is editorialized. The linked article's headline: The ‘next Ozempic’ became a social media sensation. Then everything changed The coupon didn't go away. The coupon's terms changed. I'm using the coupon now. Because I have type 2 diabetes. The coupon changed because people were using it to get the drug for off-lab…

"Diabetes patients think people with obesity are stealing their drug, as it’s currently only approved for the treatment of T2D (though FDA approval for the treatment of obesity may come as soon as this summer.) People with obesity are angry that obesity isn’t recognized as a disease. And users who can’t afford it say they’ve been abandoned by Big Pharma." Always amazing when an article is verified in real time

With very few exceptions obesity is simply the result of eating more calories than needed for a long time. Very obese people eat a LOT of food. 10,000 calories/day for years is not uncommon.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

lm28469 wrote: post #103
HDThoreaun wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don’t suddenly have less self control. Of course you could lose weight by eating less than your body urges you too. That has nothing to do with why more people are obese now though.

> People don’t suddenly have less self control. That's what we get after decades and decades of marketing targeting kids... large scale behaviour changes. Look at how tobacco was advertised, it was the same thing, now most of us know smoking is very detrimental to your health and addictive. I wonder when people will realise they're pulling the same shit for food

Obesity started rising across all age groups at about the same time (ca. 1980).

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

bedast wrote: post #91
counttheforks wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you defending the price gouging of the american healthcare system? Do you really only care about yourself?

I care that many people I know are losing glycemic control because they're going on a waiting list for their medication while Kim K and Elon Musk and TikTok promote easy mode cosmetic weight loss.

Seems like the problem is that not enough is produced to meet real demand instead of mere regulator-approved demand.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

fourseventy wrote: post #55
smallpipe wrote: post #13

The obese are mad at the diabetics, the diabetics are mad at the obese, while they should be mad at their failure of politicians who won’t regulate the drug market like any other functioning democracy. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so tragic

They should be mad at themselves for failing to take ownership over their own lives and health. But no, its someone elses fault that they eat an entire box of oreos every night.

"Just put down the fork" is why we can't have single-payer healthcare. Come back when you have feasible suggestions for the population level.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by icelancer »

msrenee wrote: post #64
HDThoreaun wrote: post #37

https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/semaglutidonomics These new weight loss medications are the solution to obesity. Imo this is one of the biggest medical advances of the century and at least in urban areas of wealthy countries, I don’t think we’ll see obese people anymore in 10 years. The pharma companies realized they’ve got something truly revolutionary so they took the old tried and true drug dealer strategy.…

Are they the solution to obesity? I'm curious as to whether the weight stays off long term. 10 or more years at least or else it's just another bandaid. What we need is better access to nutritious food that doesn't take up so much of folk's scant downtime and tight income. I understand there's lots of reasons people are obese that aren't just laziness, but the drug doesn't solve those either. They're still not gettin…

People saying that you have to be on X drug forever to solve your problem as if it's some silver bullet argument think.... what exactly about Type I diabetics who need to inject insulin every day, forever, to solve their problem?

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by sjfidsfkds »

azdle wrote: post #133
hansvm wrote: post #115

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Not less nutritious food? Or is the argument that the [everything else] to calorie ratio should be higher?

> Or is the argument that the [everything else] to calorie ratio should be higher? Yep, that. My understanding of this argument (which for the record, I'm loosely convinced is probably true, but probably isn't the only, and maybe not the main, factor) is that your body's hungry signal is it needs non-calorie nutrients, but our food is less nutrient dense so you get a lot more calories than your body is prepared to ha…

If this were right, you could cure your obesity by mixing the right multivitamin into your food? It seems like if fixing some nutrient deficiency were all it took, we’d have figured it out ages ago.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by WillPostForFood »

pwinnski wrote: post #119
bedast wrote: post #36

Mounjaro is not an obesity drug. It's a type 2 diabetes drug. Do not call it an obesity drug. The headline is editorialized. The linked article's headline: The ‘next Ozempic’ became a social media sensation. Then everything changed The coupon didn't go away. The coupon's terms changed. I'm using the coupon now. Because I have type 2 diabetes. The coupon changed because people were using it to get the drug for off-lab…

I'm aware that you're upset because of shortages in the medicine you need. I think your beef should be with the pharma company seeking to maximize profits by constraining supply such that they are easily overwhelmed by off-label use, not with people seeking effective medical treatment. There's a common meme among what I've seen from diabetics complaining about the shortages: that this is a tik-tok thing, or prompted…

pharma company seeking to maximize profits by constraining supply

They have a monopoly on the drug, what's the evidence they are constraining supply? It makes no sense, the price is set, the more they supply the more money they make.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by finneganscat »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #154
pwinnski wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware that you're upset because of shortages in the medicine you need. I think your beef should be with the pharma company seeking to maximize profits by constraining supply such that they are easily overwhelmed by off-label use, not with people seeking effective medical treatment. There's a common meme among what I've seen from diabetics complaining about the shortages: that this is a tik-tok thing, or prompted…

>Doctors are prescribing this for people who have medical conditions that make them dramatically overweight I know multiple people < 150 lbs who have gotten scrips for it with no history of diabetes.

How many? Enough to make this comment anything other than a meaningless anecdote? I'm over 375lbs and nobody will prescribe it for me. There's my counter-anecdote.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by richwater »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #168
pwinnski wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware that you're upset because of shortages in the medicine you need. I think your beef should be with the pharma company seeking to maximize profits by constraining supply such that they are easily overwhelmed by off-label use, not with people seeking effective medical treatment. There's a common meme among what I've seen from diabetics complaining about the shortages: that this is a tik-tok thing, or prompted…

pharma company seeking to maximize profits by constraining supply They have a monopoly on the drug, what's the evidence they are constraining supply? It makes no sense, the price is set, the more they supply the more money they make.

I swear people just say things without a shred of thinking.
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